MSDTarak Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Please check my new blog on caste system today, translated from MVR sastry gaari works about Manu smrithi https://mycountrymydharma.wordpress.com/2019/03/26/what-is-caste-and-what-is-class-2/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamaSiddhu J Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Manu Smriti is a shit malla daniki sodi add Chesi xxx chesaru kanalu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSDTarak Posted March 26, 2019 Author Share Posted March 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, RamaSiddhu J said: Manu Smriti is a shit malla daniki sodi add Chesi xxx chesaru kanalu Mundu chadavandi annai, enni sarlu Manu smrithi chadivaru meeru?...Merrevaro telikunda, mimmalni personal ga telusokokunda mimmalni evaraina tidete ela untadi meeku? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskmaestro Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 Nice write up brother. I always feel it’s the Varna which is superior to the Caste $hit. I am a Brahmin by birth and I do not flow the Brahmin rituals in the dawn and dusk. Due to caste system I am tagged as Brahmin. Same applies to every caste (living today). Varna promotes respect to every flavor. Caste promotes suppression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSDTarak Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 Thanks brother ..Time to move back to system of varna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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krishna_Bidda Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 7:53 AM, MSDTarak said: Mundu chadavandi annai, enni sarlu Manu smrithi chadivaru meeru?...Merrevaro telikunda, mimmalni personal ga telusokokunda mimmalni evaraina tidete ela untadi meeku? Chadavani prethi pp gadu ilage matladatadu.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezawada_Lion Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 On 3/26/2019 at 7:46 AM, RamaSiddhu J said: Manu Smriti is a shit malla daniki sodi add Chesi xxx chesaru kanalu Seriously? Do you think so bro? Atleast you would have appreciated the thread starter for his efforts.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSDTarak Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 Thanks everyone, please support my work by sharing it widely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 some one explain why 3 castes need the thread over their shoulders? what is the need for varnas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 read thru most of it... moving up and down the class system is not making any sense to me... that whole narrative is useless according to me.. this is where the varnas concept completely fails for me usage of the word “shudra” in the realm of explaing caste(not class) appears that author intends shudra=niggar.. there is no shudra in caste!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HelloNTR Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 Interesting read! But this whole thing seems pointless in current scenario... Bramhana needs to offer education, Kshatriya should rule and protect saftey of sect he lives in, vysya needs to be responsible of the money flow and Shudra should help all the other Varna’s with his physical strength. ee modern society lo a family head does all the above 4 things or a combination of these things ... then how should he be classified? Moving anedi kooda... okathanu vaishya nundi kshatriya ila eppudu move avvali ani ela dcd chestaru? .. ravana etc lanti white/black character gurinchi undi kaani there is nothing about common ppl who are mostly grey .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 the idea that one is better than the other , like brahmana is better than kshatriya, kshatriya better than vysya and so on.. and then using the same varna names for castes... makes it very obvious that discrimination is the one and only goal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSDTarak Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Nfdbno1 said: the idea that one is better than the other , like brahmana is better than kshatriya, kshatriya better than vysya and so on.. and then using the same varna names for castes... makes it very obvious that discrimination is the one and only goal! Annai Varnas system is same as an IT company works. CEO will be above all, DM, GPM, PM, team lead, engineers inta Mandi enduku? Discrimination is needed and to run a stable society, but in caste it comes by birth but in varna system that Manu proposed it comes with the knowledge you attain. CEO ke enduku ekkuva powers? Enduku fresher ki company nadipe powers ivvaru? Because of the experience knowledge he attains, same way Idi kuda. But we should not go with caste system since it's given by birth according to British act of 1833. Caste is word derived from a Spanish word castos(u can google on this and learn about it.) Western caste depends upon lineage. Suppose if follow castes then a CEO even if he fails in 10th class should be made as CEO since he is born as CEO son of a company. Hope so It helped you. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSDTarak Posted March 29, 2019 Author Share Posted March 29, 2019 2 hours ago, HelloNTR said: Interesting read! But this whole thing seems pointless in current scenario... Bramhana needs to offer education, Kshatriya should rule and protect saftey of sect he lives in, vysya needs to be responsible of the money flow and Shudra should help all the other Varna’s with his physical strength. ee modern society lo a family head does all the above 4 things or a combination of these things ... then how should he be classified? Moving anedi kooda... okathanu vaishya nundi kshatriya ila eppudu move avvali ani ela dcd chestaru? .. ravana etc lanti white/black character gurinchi undi kaani there is nothing about common ppl who are mostly grey .. Movement anedi meero Leda neno decide cheyyamu brother, Suppose to say a current man's scenario working in an IT company he used to be team lead before but he gave his hard work and did Agile engineering and became a scrum master. So how do you decide that, because he learn it. In same way a Kshatriya who was very interested to learn and spread knowledge and create knowledge can jump his Varna by working hard on topics related to it. Best example I can quote is viswamitra(Kshatriya born but attained bramhatvam), and valmiki (he was a hunter and became brahmana) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krishna_Bidda Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Nfdbno1 said: the idea that one is better than the other , like brahmana is better than kshatriya, kshatriya better than vysya and so on.. and then using the same varna names for castes... makes it very obvious that discrimination is the one and only goal! One is always better than other ...there is no doubt ......if one is not better than other why are we learning from professor in an University instead of uneducated brutes..... coming to second thing.....Hindu dharma clearly states one who has Brahma gnanam is a Brahmin and you know what that is ????realising each and every soul human or plant or animal is part and Parcel of God.... Krishna Clearly says in Gita....and knowledge is never stuck to one part of society.....all the Hindu puranas were written by people from low class ....valmiki is from a tribal family and vedvyasa is a fisherman ....how is this possible if knowledge is stuck to one section of society????? If you really believe in God keeping all your ego aside you can clearly observe the energy flow around you ....I personally was practicing srirudram for the past few years was really mesmerized and able to see how it changed me..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskmaestro Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 7 hours ago, Nfdbno1 said: the idea that one is better than the other , like brahmana is better than kshatriya, kshatriya better than vysya and so on.. and then using the same varna names for castes... makes it very obvious that discrimination is the one and only goal! Annai..... plz don’t draw conclusions. There is no discrimination in the varna system. Take the concept of our body.... we have a head, shoulders, abdomen and legs. Head top lo undani great kaadu.... let’s say if one doesn’t have legs and have a great head.... still vadini “aviti-vaadu” aney antaaru. Deeni artham.... ee Samaajam lo ah naalugu varnaalu pancha bhootala the samaanam. Eh okkadani pramukhyam tagginaa samaajam avitidi avtundi aney goopa sandesam undi varna system lo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskmaestro Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 8 hours ago, Nfdbno1 said: read thru most of it... moving up and down the class system is not making any sense to me... that whole narrative is useless according to me.. this is where the varnas concept completely fails for me usage of the word “shudra” in the realm of explaing caste(not class) appears that author intends shudra=niggar.. there is no shudra in caste!! Shudra=niggar ani ekkada ledu.... meeku meerey create cheskovaddu. Moving up and down the varna system (based on skill set and ones choice) has its own advantages. You can see the example of Valmiki, Karna etc., We are still following the varna system in a different way. Varna system ki maro peru SME system. A farmer’s son is not restricted to farming today. He can be a CEO of Microsoft, he can be a scientist, he can be a IT professional etc., unfortunately movies, politics, doctors, lawyers, corporate gaints lo, by birth they are getting things as if that is hereditary. Like Actor’s son becoming actor, CM’s son becoming CM, doctor’s son becoming doctor and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krishna_Bidda Posted March 29, 2019 Share Posted March 29, 2019 1 hour ago, sskmaestro said: Annai..... plz don’t draw conclusions. There is no discrimination in the varna system. Take the concept of our body.... we have a head, shoulders, abdomen and legs. Head top lo undani great kaadu.... let’s say if one doesn’t have legs and have a great head.... still vadini “aviti-vaadu” aney antaaru. Deeni artham.... ee Samaajam lo ah naalugu varnaalu pancha bhootala the samaanam. Eh okkadani pramukhyam tagginaa samaajam avitidi avtundi aney goopa sandesam undi varna system lo. Well said bro... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 22 hours ago, MSDTarak said: Annai Varnas system is same as an IT company works. CEO will be above all, DM, GPM, PM, team lead, engineers inta Mandi enduku? Discrimination is needed and to run a stable society, but in caste it comes by birth but in varna system that Manu proposed it comes with the knowledge you attain. CEO ke enduku ekkuva powers? Enduku fresher ki company nadipe powers ivvaru? Because of the experience knowledge he attains, same way Idi kuda. But we should not go with caste system since it's given by birth according to British act of 1833. Caste is word derived from a Spanish word castos(u can google on this and learn about it.) Western caste depends upon lineage. Suppose if follow castes then a CEO even if he fails in 10th class should be made as CEO since he is born as CEO son of a company. Hope so It helped you. Thanks in advance. 1. just blame it on british.. do you know that annamacharya sung against discrimination? where were british in his time? do you know ramanuja? caste/varna based discrimination was always an element of indian society ... 2. applying your belief of varnas where one class of people are above another, that means traders ar above the makers of the products, police and soldiers are above traders, politicians especially freaks like iyr krishna rao are better than all of them, because they have the intelligence. Rat’s xxx to this theory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 16 hours ago, sskmaestro said: Annai..... plz don’t draw conclusions. There is no discrimination in the varna system. Take the concept of our body.... we have a head, shoulders, abdomen and legs. Head top lo undani great kaadu.... let’s say if one doesn’t have legs and have a great head.... still vadini “aviti-vaadu” aney antaaru. Deeni artham.... ee Samaajam lo ah naalugu varnaalu pancha bhootala the samaanam. Eh okkadani pramukhyam tagginaa samaajam avitidi avtundi aney goopa sandesam undi varna system lo. aa article lo athanu raasindi enti? i am commenting on that alone.. he is still saying varna system is hierarchical... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 17 hours ago, krishna_Bidda said: One is always better than other ...there is no doubt ......if one is not better than other why are we learning from professor in an University instead of uneducated brutes..... coming to second thing.....Hindu dharma clearly states one who has Brahma gnanam is a Brahmin and you know what that is ????realising each and every soul human or plant or animal is part and Parcel of God.... Krishna Clearly says in Gita....and knowledge is never stuck to one part of society.....all the Hindu puranas were written by people from low class ....valmiki is from a tribal family and vedvyasa is a fisherman ....how is this possible if knowledge is stuck to one section of society????? If you really believe in God keeping all your ego aside you can clearly observe the energy flow around you ....I personally was practicing srirudram for the past few years was really mesmerized and able to see how it changed me..... here is another person that supports the theory of hierarchical varna system... this area of gita will stay as gray and as dark as possible, as long as you dont refine/redefine this nonsense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krishna_Bidda Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Nfdbno1 said: here is another person that supports the theory of hierarchical varna system... this area of gita will stay as gray and as dark as possible, as long as you dont refine/redefine this nonsense You thought s are dark and polluted....get well soon .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 9 minutes ago, krishna_Bidda said: You thought s are dark and polluted....get well soon .... if someone has an argument against yours, they are polluted.. lol! you get well soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MSDTarak Posted March 30, 2019 Author Share Posted March 30, 2019 7 hours ago, Nfdbno1 said: 1. just blame it on british.. do you know that annamacharya sung against discrimination? where were british in his time? do you know ramanuja? caste/varna based discrimination was always an element of indian society ... 2. applying your belief of varnas where one class of people are above another, that means traders ar above the makers of the products, police and soldiers are above traders, politicians especially freaks like iyr krishna rao are better than all of them, because they have the intelligence. Rat’s xxx to this theory! 1. Am not blaming british alone, am saying that obviously they are responsible for legalization of caste system 2. Mentioned well about ramanujacharya, vivekananda, day ananda saraswathi. Society antene hierarchy tho nadustundi antunna. Okari kante okaru ekkuva takkuva lenappudu okaru kastapadi okaru kastapadakunda oke chota undipovala? Rats oo bandicoot's oo meere decide cheskondi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 2 hours ago, MSDTarak said: 1. Am not blaming british alone, am saying that obviously they are responsible for legalization of caste system 2. Mentioned well about ramanujacharya, vivekananda, day ananda saraswathi. Society antene hierarchy tho nadustundi antunna. Okari kante okaru ekkuva takkuva lenappudu okaru kastapadi okaru kastapadakunda oke chota undipovala? Rats oo bandicoot's oo meere decide cheskondi. society ki hierarchy avasarledu... krushi vunte manushulu rushulautharu ani saripettachu.... bhujalu kaallu padalu lo nundi ravalsina avasarledu... clearly it is some author’s over dramatization... sarvantaryami ga unde devudiki bhujalu, kaallu enti? aa context lo adi apply kaada? authadi.. kani janalaki convenient ga aa theory cheppesaru.. hierarchy create cheyyadaniki, ade discrimination anedi! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KING007 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 Naku telisinantha varaku, anni panulu ni okkare cheyaleru kabatti okkokariki okko pani cheyamannaru.. kala kramena adhi kondari swardham tho kula ruupam ga marindhi.... Na assumption matrame idhi.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted March 30, 2019 Share Posted March 30, 2019 21 minutes ago, KING007 said: Naku telisinantha varaku, anni panulu ni okkare cheyaleru kabatti okkokariki okko pani cheyamannaru.. kala kramena adhi kondari swardham tho kula ruupam ga marindhi.... Na assumption matrame idhi.... here is what i think.. 1. if you look back, castes are matching 1-1 with occupations.. (no problem with caste system other than the names of the 3 castes at the “top” that try to blur the difference between varna and caste) 2. varnas(literal meaning of color etc) are representing qualities/shade that men possess based on their character/knowledge/credibility(guna) and deeds(karma) .. each person will have different varna (at different time) depending on his guna+karma, his varna (shade) changes with his character/knowledge/behavior and karma.. other than going at this way or another meaningful way, its hard to imagine how a static hierarchical system helps society! perhaps, the 4 varnas are mere colors (that tell onee’s character), there is no good or bad color other than total black and total white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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