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science meaning undi em cheste em aiddi ani..

religion god mehh...monna disha incident lantivi appudu ae devuduu radu... edaina ante karma phalam boodida boshanam ani cover drives ostai...

so manishi god puranam any religious books etc kanna science ni nammukotam better

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31 minutes ago, MSDTarak said:

ధర్మం సిట్యుయేషన్, దేశం(లివింగ్ place), కాలం అనుగుణంగా మారుతుంది, it is like any karma we do.

Example chali kaalam lo hot water tho స్నానం చేస్తాం, వేసవి కాలం లో చల్ల నీళ్లతో 

పొద్దున పనులు చేసుకుంటాం రాత్రి నిద్ర పోతాం 

ఒక కుక్క మనల్ని కరవడనికి వస్తే దాన్ని రాయి ఇచ్చుకు కొడతాం, అది దాని దారిన పోతుంటే మన దారిన మనం పోతాం.

yes ...kaalaalu , vaathavaranam etc., not only human knows them but also animals know them....as a part of nature...animals dont have any religion..

 

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3 minutes ago, HelloNTR said:

science meaning undi em cheste em aiddi ani..

religion god mehh...monna disha incident lantivi appudu ae devuduu radu... edaina ante karma phalam boodida boshanam ani cover drives ostai...

so manishi god puranam any religious books etc kanna science ni nammukotam better

exactly this is my point...karma siddantham antaaru assalu evvariki ardam kuda kaaadu...

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5 minutes ago, ChiefMinister said:

exactly this is my point...karma siddantham antaaru assalu evvariki ardam kuda kaaadu...

science cannot explain many things..kani chesina konni aina pakka untaye..

Quran..bible..vedas geeta whatever danlo anni unnai antaru..oka definitive way undadu... open ended.. evadki nachinattu vadu interpret chestadu.. poneee manalanti agnanulni nammakam lenollaki daari chupidanki okka saraina aa devudu kanipiyyadu.. manaki manam own definitions ichkuni namasmarana antuu pogudtaa undali... 

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59 minutes ago, ChiefMinister said:

that is marketing techniques brother.. 

even the same happened with colgate toothpaste also..

i will accept .. before they proved you wrong why you came out of that and why you are not able to prove strongly instead of saying my dharma is great and my culture is good ..? when they are giving such advertisements , what govt. or law makers are doing..? why dont you start proper research on your culture with proofs to counter them..?

That’s where the seriousness of govts or religious organizations comes up wrt protecting our dharma!

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11 hours ago, RamaSiddhu J said:

Hinduism is my ex religion there are many wierd things in it before I quit.

I don't know much about the other religions. But i know many flaws in Hinduism i got frustrated.

Some fools in this DB will come now and point out other religions when i say about Hinduism. 

That's utter nonsense 

They don't agree their faults but point out others for self satisfaction

Take good from religion why only concentrating on bad

 

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3 minutes ago, sskmaestro said:

That’s where the seriousness of govts or religious organizations comes up wrt protecting our dharma!

Yes you raised right point brother.. atleast these religious organizations should do something...

Chaganti koteswara rao garu , swami paripoorna nanda garu etc., veellantha tvs lo pravachanaalu cheppatam kanna vellakii vunna knowledge tho why cant they start the research and start proving the results..? 

Ofcourse they will get enough financial and moral support also i feel..vallaki dabbuki emi takkuva kaadu anukuntaaa for sure..anyone can help them...

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48 minutes ago, Eswar09 said:

Operation success kaledhu ani, rocket sariga land kaledhu ani science ni antama... Evaro edho chesaru ani aa vkaythini tappu pattalani kani.. Religion ni kadhu.. Madyaloo manam mana avsarala taggattu marchesukoni ede hindhusim ante elaga.. 

operation success kaledu antey science will learn from that mistake...it will change the path..

for example if a surgeon is continuously failing..then Indian Medical association will cancel his license and he is not supposed to perfrom any surgeries further..

Is it the same in religion..?who will take action in religion..? who are responsible for failures..? if some one says you will get good luck today and good fortune and if the person dont get it..who will take action against them..?

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2 hours ago, ChiefMinister said:

Leave aside media... who started at least one person in that direction..? that too in such a big country...?

Not to divert the topic I just want to pose a question as a part of this.. what BJP did in last 5 to 6 years..? when they say that their agenda is our culture and civilization, what kind of support on research they gave..? They started Yoga day but did any one published results on the positives and negatives and impact of YOGA on your body.? Did they show one person who cured their diseases using Yoga ..?

Traditional methods like ayurveda etc., i believe but whey there is also no scientific proofs or research in this field..? before some one comes and say this is age old technique.?

 asalu meeru cheppina yoga day start cheyyadame ekkuva, 152 countries vallu yoga gurinchi positives telusukokundane danni celebrate chestara? coming to point where govt should involve, asalu arayan-dravidain concept myth ani telisi kuda em peekalekapotunnaru. if one moves on making some changes to text books it self left starts barking at it saying saffranisation. 

ika ayurveda antara? okksari google ki poi kotti soodandi enni researches unnayo mike telustai. kaani edi govt aided kaadu, meeru manchi point levanettaru ee govt yoga day tappa researches lo chesindem ledu as part of culture. 

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21 minutes ago, ChiefMinister said:

operation success kaledu antey science will learn from that mistake...it will change the path..

for example if a surgeon is continuously failing..then Indian Medical association will cancel his license and he is not supposed to perfrom any surgeries further..

Is it the same in religion..?who will take action in religion..? who are responsible for failures..? if some one says you will get good luck today and good fortune and if the person dont get it..who will take action against them..?

anni religions ni kalipi matram matladakandi, Hinduism believes in concept of karma and that's proven seitifically too according to newtons third law. tappu chesina vaadu eeroju kaakapoina siksha anubhavinchaka tappadu, manaku physical form lo kanipinchani vaatine Adrustam, duradrustam ani antaru. 

coming to hindutva, there is no supremacy over religion on single person unlike western and dessert cultures, this dharma will live until you, me and our neighbors follow. meeru puranethihasalu chadivite tappu chesina ee prani adi anubhavinchaka tappinchukoledu ani arthamavutundi, mahabaaratham lone 1000 ki paiga examples unnai. 

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2 hours ago, ChiefMinister said:

Yes you raised right point brother.. atleast these religious organizations should do something...

Chaganti koteswara rao garu , swami paripoorna nanda garu etc., veellantha tvs lo pravachanaalu cheppatam kanna vellakii vunna knowledge tho why cant they start the research and start proving the results..? 

Ofcourse they will get enough financial and moral support also i feel..vallaki dabbuki emi takkuva kaadu anukuntaaa for sure..anyone can help them...

what about ramdev baba? inkemaina ila research chesi products dimpite maname business ani edustam, mana jeevana vidanam lone vaidyam vidya anni undevi vatini dooram chesukunna taruvatha enni research lu chesi em labham. we only see everything from prospect of proving it, but it cant happen everytime. 

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7 minutes ago, MSDTarak said:

 asalu meeru cheppina yoga day start cheyyadame ekkuva, 152 countries vallu yoga gurinchi positives telusukokundane danni celebrate chestara? coming to point where govt should involve, asalu arayan-dravidain concept myth ani telisi kuda em peekalekapotunnaru. if one moves on making some changes to text books it self left starts barking at it saying saffranisation. 

ika ayurveda antara? okksari google ki poi kotti soodandi enni researches unnayo mike telustai. kaani edi govt aided kaadu, meeru manchi point levanettaru ee govt yoga day tappa researches lo chesindem ledu as part of culture. 

Regarding yoga day , I just recently had a discussion with a RSS member in my office. he said YOGA will not give you any health benefit.. i was surprised and he is strong follower of hinduism..his age is also 36 ... 

Even people in other countries they are treating yoga as a small sport kind of thing just to be in peace for few minutes... no one is claiming that it has health benefits...

Concept of aryan dravidian theory anedi kuda sarigga prove cheyyaleka pothey its waste..i am telling you statements wont work.. only research and proofs will work...

Ayurveda researches are very very very less comparitively (i am comparing to countries like china, USA, European countries).

Again the same i am repeating brother statements wont work in future... as a part of globalization... only research and proofs will work... if that is not going in strong pace then no one can help...

charakudu , susruthudu etc., they went against religious practices of that time and then they came up with their research...their work was hated by the religious heads of that time.. 

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3 hours ago, ChiefMinister said:

@MSDTarak Kindly throw proper light on this topic as its always a confusing point ...there are many such confusing points in every religion...

when planet and graha are not same..? please give the proper reason why and what and what made the difference..?

Now a days people in the era of science there should be a proper justification at least to debate with the people(for me to give proper answers to others atleast)...

One of the “scientific mistakes” which people who argue against ancient Indian science point to is that, ancient Indian astronomers “wrongly” classified Sun and Moon as Planets, and did not include Uranus and Neptune in their list of 9 planets.

The very first common sensual mistake here is to assume that the definition of Graha is the same as that of modern planets. This was assumed just because there were 9 Planets and there are 9 Grahas. Now let us see the actual definition of each of these.

Definition of a Planet:

Planet is defined as an astronomical body in the solar system that moves around or orbits the Sun.

Definition of a Graha:

But Graha is defined as an astronomical body in the sky “that moves”. The very meaning of the word Graha in Sanskrit is “the one that moves”.

Did you see the difference? It is only “the one that moves” in the sky. No reference to things like “around Sun”.

Graha – The one that moves- According to amarakosha(Dictionary of sanskrit)

What is so special about the movement of these Grahas? If you look at the sky, the position of stars is always the same, it is the position of Grahas that keeps changing because of their near vicinity to Earth. Not only planets, but even Sun and Moon keep changing their positions in the sky.

Surya (Sun), Budha (Mercury), Shukra (Venus), Chandra (Moon), Mangala (Mars), Guru (Jupiter), Shani (Saturn) – they all are in constant motion in the sky, they all are hence Grahas.

 

 

What about Rahu and Ketu?

The other argument made  against Grahas is that, two of the grahas – Rahu and Keu, do not exist at all!

Well yes, where have they claimed that Rahu and Ketu can be “seen”. Rahu and Ketu are actually classified as Chaya Graha (meaning shadow grahas, not the real ones). Rahu and Ketu are actually the points of intersection of the paths of the Sun and the Moon as they travel in the celestial sphere. Rahu is the north lunar node and Ketu is the south lunar node.

It is also a well known fact that eclipses occur when Sun and Moon are at one of these lunar nodes (Rahu or Ketu). Hence you have this story in India about Rahu swallowing the Sun.

Rahu and Ketu are included in the list of Grahas, even though they don’t have any physical presence in the sky. This is because their positions were used in Indian astronomy to calculate the occurrence of eclipses. Nevertheless all those classified as Grahas move in the sky, and not all are physical Modies, two of them are shadow objects (Chaaya Graha). The term “Shadow” is used because moving into their position causes eclipses for Sun and Moon.

The common phrase used in Indian languages, “why are you sitting as if Rahu has caught you” while referring to people looking blank, is because even the Sun goes blank when Rahu catches it.

 

Why no Uranus and Neptune ?

Not just because they are not visible to the naked eye in the night sky. But because even when observed through telescope they don’t “move” with any observable speed in the short term as they are lot more far away than the farthest Graha Saturn, and also due to its distance may be its effect on earth may be minute where we can ignore such minimal effect.

 

Why no Earth ?

Again because, we don’t observe earth moving in the sky. We stay on earth, and the definition of a Graha is the one which moves in the sky.

physics lo kuda manam unna chotu ni eppudu observatory gaane consider chestaru

 

Asalu graham ante artham telinappudu manam ela chebutam ee vishyam, so learning Sanskrit is the best way to first know about our scriptures. coming on to govts aid on language they recently given central university status to 6 sanskrit universities. 

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8 minutes ago, MSDTarak said:

what about ramdev baba? inkemaina ila research chesi products dimpite maname business ani edustam, mana jeevana vidanam lone vaidyam vidya anni undevi vatini dooram chesukunna taruvatha enni research lu chesi em labham. we only see everything from prospect of proving it, but it cant happen everytime. 

Ramdev baba products ki Food processing(FSSAI) vallu check chestaara..? this is my first question..

They are coming up with many products which they are saying it will cure many diseases also..but when ramdev baba was ill he was also hospitalized and he got treatment in western style..

I use many pathanjali products.. just because they are cheap..when i suggested them to my friends ... they say that they are not checked by food processing authority...

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18 minutes ago, ChiefMinister said:

Ramdev baba products ki Food processing(FSSAI) vallu check chestaara..? this is my first question..

They are coming up with many products which they are saying it will cure many diseases also..but when ramdev baba was ill he was also hospitalized and he got treatment in western style..

I use many pathanjali products.. just because they are cheap..when i suggested them to my friends ... they say that they are not checked by food processing authority...

FSSAI will check and one time they gave penalty to pathanjali noodles as it has some percentage of mercury....

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5 hours ago, ChiefMinister said:

Brother please put forward the points not statements..so that even the DB members can get some knowledge..

which things can religion explain with proper proofs..? who is doing the research in such a direction and on what basis..? Kindly let me know.

Why only science can save human from extinction..?why cant religion save people from extinction ..?

Well, the persons who created vedas are far more knowledgeable than the current science.. it's due to the mere fact that they were able to calculate stellar distances with an unimaginable precision, mentioned about blackholes, calculated the age of the universe, explained the birth and death of the universe and many more.

The main ideology of Hinduism is to attain moksha by following the path of righteousness and not to survive forever but humans and science think otherwise. So, it's the job of science to devise a plan to find a new home otherwise we are on our path to Extinction.

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1 hour ago, MSDTarak said:

One of the “scientific mistakes” which people who argue against ancient Indian science point to is that, ancient Indian astronomers “wrongly” classified Sun and Moon as Planets, and did not include Uranus and Neptune in their list of 9 planets.

The very first common sensual mistake here is to assume that the definition of Graha is the same as that of modern planets. This was assumed just because there were 9 Planets and there are 9 Grahas. Now let us see the actual definition of each of these.

Definition of a Planet:

Planet is defined as an astronomical body in the solar system that moves around or orbits the Sun.

Definition of a Graha:

But Graha is defined as an astronomical body in the sky “that moves”. The very meaning of the word Graha in Sanskrit is “the one that moves”.

Did you see the difference? It is only “the one that moves” in the sky. No reference to things like “around Sun”.

Graha – The one that moves- According to amarakosha(Dictionary of sanskrit)

What is so special about the movement of these Grahas? If you look at the sky, the position of stars is always the same, it is the position of Grahas that keeps changing because of their near vicinity to Earth. Not only planets, but even Sun and Moon keep changing their positions in the sky.

Surya (Sun), Budha (Mercury), Shukra (Venus), Chandra (Moon), Mangala (Mars), Guru (Jupiter), Shani (Saturn) – they all are in constant motion in the sky, they all are hence Grahas.

 

 

What about Rahu and Ketu?

The other argument made  against Grahas is that, two of the grahas – Rahu and Keu, do not exist at all!

Well yes, where have they claimed that Rahu and Ketu can be “seen”. Rahu and Ketu are actually classified as Chaya Graha (meaning shadow grahas, not the real ones). Rahu and Ketu are actually the points of intersection of the paths of the Sun and the Moon as they travel in the celestial sphere. Rahu is the north lunar node and Ketu is the south lunar node.

It is also a well known fact that eclipses occur when Sun and Moon are at one of these lunar nodes (Rahu or Ketu). Hence you have this story in India about Rahu swallowing the Sun.

Rahu and Ketu are included in the list of Grahas, even though they don’t have any physical presence in the sky. This is because their positions were used in Indian astronomy to calculate the occurrence of eclipses. Nevertheless all those classified as Grahas move in the sky, and not all are physical Modies, two of them are shadow objects (Chaaya Graha). The term “Shadow” is used because moving into their position causes eclipses for Sun and Moon.

The common phrase used in Indian languages, “why are you sitting as if Rahu has caught you” while referring to people looking blank, is because even the Sun goes blank when Rahu catches it.

 

Why no Uranus and Neptune ?

Not just because they are not visible to the naked eye in the night sky. But because even when observed through telescope they don’t “move” with any observable speed in the short term as they are lot more far away than the farthest Graha Saturn, and also due to its distance may be its effect on earth may be minute where we can ignore such minimal effect.

 

Why no Earth ?

Again because, we don’t observe earth moving in the sky. We stay on earth, and the definition of a Graha is the one which moves in the sky.

physics lo kuda manam unna chotu ni eppudu observatory gaane consider chestaru

 

Asalu graham ante artham telinappudu manam ela chebutam ee vishyam, so learning Sanskrit is the best way to first know about our scriptures. coming on to govts aid on language they recently given central university status to 6 sanskrit universities. 

which things are called as stars according to our scripts..?

whats the importance of the navagrahas in temples and do they really have physical impact on humans..? or they will impact also animals,plants also...?

If so why we are not studying them in our textbooks..?Atleast in state text books why they are not a part of our syllabus..?

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Bleed_Blue said:

Well, the persons who created vedas are far more knowledgeable than the current science.. it's due to the mere fact that they were able to calculate stellar distances with an unimaginable precision, mentioned about blackholes, calculated the age of the universe, explained the birth and death of the universe and many more.

The main ideology of Hinduism is to attain moksha by following the path of righteousness and not to survive forever but humans and science think otherwise. So, it's the job of science to devise a plan to find a new home otherwise we are on our path to Extinction.

blackholes ..? refereneces..? can you give me some..? because the scientist chandrasekhar who gave proper definition of black holes is an Indian .. dont know whether he followed our books or he did the research on his own..

I know that there are some references to theory of relativity in our puranas..but should have to be taken as a scientific study ...

Brother moksha lanti concepts anni religions lo edo oka vidam ga they have their own beliefs like judgement day etc., 

what made it unique..? whether there are any proofs for moksha or life after death..?

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16 minutes ago, ChiefMinister said:

blackholes ..? refereneces..? can you give me some..? because the scientist chandrasekhar who gave proper definition of black holes is an Indian .. dont know whether he followed our books or he did the research on his own..

I know that there are some references to theory of relativity in our puranas..but should have to be taken as a scientific study ...

Brother moksha lanti concepts anni religions lo edo oka vidam ga they have their own beliefs like judgement day etc., 

what made it unique..? whether there are any proofs for moksha or life after death..?

moksha concept anedi oka vichitramainadi, its sole ownership belongs to vedic dharma, you said every religion has its own beliefs on moksha ani how can you prove it brother.

life after death and karma siddanta needs no much proof better than newtons third law, you see so many jeevas in this world dying with out proper judgement, if there is no concept of life after death why would some one be born in a rich or poor family,  why some one will  be born as handicapped? why some aatma takes new form of uccha jeeva and alpa jeevas?

 

Will also check on the black holes concept, please wait for it.

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23 minutes ago, MSDTarak said:

moksha concept anedi oka vichitramainadi, its sole ownership belongs to vedic dharma, you said every religion has its own beliefs on moksha ani how can you prove it brother.

life after death and karma siddanta needs no much proof better than newtons third law, you see so many jeevas in this world dying with out proper judgement, if there is no concept of life after death why would some one be born in a rich or poor family,  why some one will  be born as handicapped? why some aatma takes new form of uccha jeeva and alpa jeevas?

 

Will also check on the black holes concept, please wait for it.

I think newtons third law applies to physical objects...how can we relate it to our life ... i think u r using it as an analogy if i am not wrong...

regarding karma siddanta, if the person is getting punished in next life etc,. How it is justifiable if he  gets punishment in next life??? On top of that how can we check in which life we are??? If u r born rich or poor is because of your past life , very first human can be considered as poor or rich??? Because money is again created by humans only... if born handicapped in his very first life as a human how can one justify this???

I think meaning of karma is work if i am not wrong???

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2 hours ago, ChiefMinister said:

I think newtons third law applies to physical objects...how can we relate it to our life ... i think u r using it as an analogy if i am not wrong...

regarding karma siddanta, if the person is getting punished in next life etc,. How it is justifiable if he  gets punishment in next life??? On top of that how can we check in which life we are??? If u r born rich or poor is because of your past life , very first human can be considered as poor or rich??? Because money is again created by humans only... if born handicapped in his very first life as a human how can one justify this???

I think meaning of karma is work if i am not wrong???

yes karma is the work you do, meeru manchi cheste manchi chedu cheste chedu what i mean. regarding applying third law of newton, i took it as just analogy what you said. 

First of all to believe in karma siddantha, the assumption (like x=0 or something) should be done that soul changes its Modies, so according to that papam or punya karma is not to the body but soul, if soul is you its always justifyiable the punishment or getting higher births in next life. 

i just gave a example of rich and poor, i doesnt mean it by money or whatever. and coming to the point of handicapped in very first life i think answer is with evaluation theory(its just my belief, even i need to dig into).  

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https://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/chapter-1-importance-of-religion-and-religious-beliefs/

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/27/religion-why-is-faith-growing-and-what-happens-next

https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/why-is-religion-important-in-life-in-the-society-380587

https://www.heritage.org/civil-society/report/why-religion-matters-the-impact-religious-practice-social-stability

except, single religion, all other religions in the world not suggest you to kill, all these happening because of politics & power. These inhuman beings will kill irrespective of other's think process.  if not for religion, then for something else like skin color..

Second of all, Science doesn't divide people, LMAO biggest joke of the century.

Two points of science that divided whole america: 1. Climate Change 2. Human Genders

Science also does the same thing, some scientists for their benefits will publish some ridiculous theory half proved and some ignorant idiots follow it because they have common beliefs (see how this bloody describes Religion).  

 

 

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11 minutes ago, MaheshN said:

https://www.pewforum.org/2015/11/03/chapter-1-importance-of-religion-and-religious-beliefs/

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/aug/27/religion-why-is-faith-growing-and-what-happens-next

https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/why-is-religion-important-in-life-in-the-society-380587

https://www.heritage.org/civil-society/report/why-religion-matters-the-impact-religious-practice-social-stability

except, single religion, all other religions in the world not suggest you to kill, all these happening because of politics & power. These inhuman beings will kill irrespective of other's think process.  if not for religion, then for something else like skin color..

Second of all, Science doesn't divide people, LMAO biggest joke of the century.

Two points of science that divided whole america: 1. Climate Change 2. Human Genders

Science also does the same thing, some scientists for their benefits will publish some ridiculous theory half proved and some ignorant idiots follow it because they have common beliefs (see how this bloody describes Religion).  

 

 

half proven theories will not be accepted by the world...it will never be accepted by all until all the  theories are proven as per my knowledge ...can you show some outcomes of experiments published without proofs..? 

need our db members comments on this especially @Chandasasanudu(meeru PHD chesaaru gaa please give u r inputs)

Regarding the links you shared yeah I have gone through such links in the past... but still not got clarity why we have religion when constitution is our driving body..? its not just with one country there are many democratic countries in the world...

 

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8 hours ago, ChiefMinister said:

blackholes ..? refereneces..? can you give me some..? because the scientist chandrasekhar who gave proper definition of black holes is an Indian .. dont know whether he followed our books or he did the research on his own..

I know that there are some references to theory of relativity in our puranas..but should have to be taken as a scientific study ...

Brother moksha lanti concepts anni religions lo edo oka vidam ga they have their own beliefs like judgement day etc., 

what made it unique..? whether there are any proofs for moksha or life after death..?

Blackholes were formulated by Schwarzschild.....and the mass limit for a star to become a black hole was found by chandrasekhar.....called chandrasekhar limit..

In our ancient texts blackholes are called krishna bilam....have to dig in a bit to get exact details

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