nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 The decision was taken by PM Modi without consulting the then Defence Minister Parikkar. This fact is supported by statements of Parikkar : Arun Shourie in Supreme Court Documents of Dassault reveal that actual pricing is contrary to prices disclosed in Parliament : Shourie on pricing there can’t be any secrecy issue when govt itself disclosed the price in Parliament. It’s a bogus argument for govt to say they can’t disclose pricing. In new deal, Rafale jets cost 40% more than earlier deal Even two days before the deal was announce by PM on April 10, 2015, the Foreign Secy had stated on record that talks between Dassault and HAL were on : Shourie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 We want to meet someone from Indian Air Force, not from Ministry. After all we are dealing with Air Force, says CJI Ranjan Gogoi. He will be here soon, says AG KK Venugopal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaitra Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 12 minutes ago, nvkrishna said: We want to meet someone from Indian Air Force, not from Ministry. After all we are dealing with Air Force, says CJI Ranjan Gogoi. He will be here soon, says AG KK Venugopal. Looks like Gogoi is not the Modi fearing type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Justice KM Joseph quizzes Attorney General KK Venugopal on RFP requirements. Is the Base aircraft under new deal same as earlier deal, CJI Ranjan Gogoi. Yes, replies Attorney General. Was the earlier price of the Rafale Deal disclosed in the public domain ? CJI to AG No. It wasn’t disclosed: AG to SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 No need to reveal Rafale pricing now: Supreme Court (SC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Bench rises for lunch, hearing to continue at 2 pm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rama123 Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 Pm ni pilavandi supreme ki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Team of Air Force officers arrive in SC for Rafale hearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Hearing resumes in Supreme Court. Air Marshall and Air Vice Marshall present in court. "They will be able to answer Your Lordships queries", AG Venugopal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Supreme Court begins interaction with Air Marshall and Air Vice Marshall "Which is the latest induction into IAF", CJI Gogoi. "Sukhoi 30" is the response. "Are these and the Light Combat Aircraft fourth generation", CJI Gogoi. "I would say its 3.5", says Air Marshall. The new proposed aircraft is of which generation?, CJI Gogoi "5th generation because it has stealth techonolgy", responds IAF officer. The latest being manufactured in India is 3rd generation Mirage. The proposed new air craft is 5th generation with stealth technology, clarifies the Air Marhsall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Justice KM Joseph asks AG how did the PM announce about the new deal even before the RFP of the old agreement was to be withdrawn. As AG struggles to answer, CJI comes to his help. "Your own note says process of withdrawal had begun in Mar 2015 & was concluded in June" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baggie Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, nvkrishna said: Justice KM Joseph asks AG how did the PM announce about the new deal even before the RFP of the old agreement was to be withdrawn. As AG struggles to answer, CJI comes to his help. "Your own note says process of withdrawal had begun in Mar 2015 & was concluded in June" xxxxxx chinnappudu Practicals exam tarvata VIVA gurthostundi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Why the change in offset guidelines in 2015, asks Justice KM Joseph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Centre tells SC that the government has not been so far informed about the offset partner of Dassault company on Rafale deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 SC questions Govt on choice of offset partner. SC says vendor must give offset partner details in 3 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 SC questions Govt on offset partner in Rafale case: "You can't completely separate main contract from the offset contact. It may not be in the country's interest if the offset contract is executed later because that may lead to delay in production by the offset partner," says SC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Rafale Jet Deal Case: Supreme Court asks Additional Secretary Defence as to why the offset guidelines were changed in 2015. What about country's interest? What if the offset partner doesn't do any production? Which are the countries flying Rafale, CJI Gogoi. "Qatar, Egypt and France", responds Centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 What was the need to amend offset guidelines with retrospective effect?, asks Justice K M Joseph Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 CJI asks AG about the argument of the petitioner that France has not given sovereign guarantee to the deal Rafale AG replies that there is no sovereign guarantee, but a letter of comfort by France ML Sharma: That is not a legally valid document Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 AG KK Venugopal concludes his arguments by saying “its a sensitive matter and it involves national security. IAF has written several times to the Govt over the acute shortage” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Advoc Prashant Bhushan starts his rejoinder arguments to the Centre’s arguments. No one is questioning the choice the Rafale but the question here is the process: Advoc Prashant Bhushan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 AG: We had soldiers dying in Kargil War. If there was Rafale jets then, we could have saved lives. They could have shot over 60 km CJI: Mr. Attorney, Kargil was in 1999-2000? Rafale came in 2014! AG (laughs): I said it hypothetically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raaz@NBK Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, nvkrishna said: AG: We had soldiers dying in Kargil War. If there was Rafale jets then, we could have saved lives. They could have shot over 60 km CJI: Mr. Attorney, Kargil was in 1999-2000? Rafale came in 2014! AG (laughs): I said it hypothetically janalu oka madhiriga kuda kanapadatledhugaa konadaniki evadu object chesthunnadu.. konedhi edho scam lekunda konamani kadha.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 AG counters Bhushan's argument that one of the conditions for IGA is procurement of a weapon liked in joint exercises: Rafale used in exercises bw India and France in 2010, 2014 J. Joseph: But you did not go for Rafale on the basis of these exercises. The deal was made in 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 5 hours of arguments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvkrishna Posted November 14, 2018 Author Share Posted November 14, 2018 Centre today told SC that Dassault haven’t given them any details about Indian offset partners. When Dassault can give this list to an Indian news agency, why not to the Govt ? Proves Govt didn’t ask too. Also what is the need of that mandatory six months report ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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