KHOBRAGADE & AMERICA'S DOUBLESPEAK - EXCELLENT

[vikramgemini]

EXCELLENT ARTICLE by R JAGANNATHAN

 

The despicable treatment of Devyani Khobragade, Indian Deputy Consul general in New York, should be another wake up call for India and talk-circuit liberals . If you do not have the means to project power effectively, the world will walk all over you.

 

It is good that India is in a mood to retaliate , but it is important for us to persist with it long after this is over. Moreover, we should equip ourselves with more laws to target foreign countries that use their domestic laws to blackmail or humiliate us. We should not take such affronts lying down anymore.

 

In a limited sense, the transgressions of US minimum wages law by Khobragade will draw the usual Indian liberal nonsense: if we are in contravention of their law, we are the guilty party. Worse, some of us will also express sneaking admiration for the US's ability to enforce its own law, as opposed to our own inability - or systemic unwillingness - to enforce ours.

 

Not only is this a naïve view, but bull. Hear what Khobragade had to say about her arrest, and judge for yourself if this is the right way to deal with a brech of minimum wages law. The Indian Express, quoting from her email to colleagues, has this Indian Foreign Service (IFS) officer saying this about her horrifying experience. “I must admit that I broke down many times as the indignities of repeated handcuffing, stripping and cavity searches, swabbing, hold up with common criminals and drug addicts were all being imposed upon me despite my incessant assertions of immunity.”

 

Our general assumption that the US law enforcers are merely doing their duty is rubbish. If alleged violation of US visa laws by Infosys can be settled with a fine, why couldn't the US have done so for Khobragade? Or is a woman diplomat fair game for US law enforcers?

 

Indians are the most gullible goops in the world when it comes to discerning the difference between an honest effort to implement the law and using laws to project power and blackmail other countries. The American government is the most sophisticated legally illegal enterprise in the world when it comes to dealing with people from other countries. And Americans are one of the most sophisticated bigots in the world.

 

There are two reasons why we are so bad at recognising this: one is because we are very poor readers of real intent as we have not studied the west on our terms. The second reason is even worse: we are the most compromised individuals when it comes to America. Every bureaucrat and politician and media hack sends his or her children to America or Europe to study, or is given high paying jobs in US multinationals. Thus, many of them would have received favours from the American establishment. So when it comes to standing up to America to defend our own interests, our worthies are unable to take a strong view on what is right for our country.

 

There is also a third reason: we are simply too self-absorbed and willing to forget and move on in the pursuit of narrow, short-term personal interest. The Americans will go to the ends of the earth to pursue Osama bin Laden or even their own Islamic terrorists for 10 years. We will forget Hafiz Saeed five years after 26/11. The Americans will not let us forget 2002 – not because they care about the Muslims they themselves ostracise in their own country, but because it is a useful stick to hold over someone who could be our next PM.

 

There is also another counter-intuitive reason why we are unable to see American bad faith: America does not use its laws to harass its own citizens, while we do the exact opposite. Thus we are willing to stretch the argument and believe that America must be using its laws fairly against the rest of the world.

 

What absolute rot. The truth is American agencies have sophisticated ways of using their laws against foreigners to defend their interests. Their laws may oppose torture, so they will use Guantanamo Bay to for torture and waterboarding against prisoners. President Obama vowed to shut it down, but Guantanamo is still around. Even if it is shut, they will ask allies in brutal Africa or Thailand to do their dirty work.

 

Americans are forbidden by their own laws to indulge is assassinations abroad, but Obama has converted the CIA into a killing machine. Two years ago, they killed one of their own nationals – Anwar al-Awlaki , for example - because of his alleged terror links (not proven in a court of law). The Americans regularly use drones against civilians in Afghanistan and Pakistan and South Yemen on the plea that one among them may be a terrorist. To have plausible deniability, they even use private surveillance and security agencies as surrogate CIA agents. (Read Mark Mazzetti's eyeopening book, The Way of the Knife , to get a glimpse into this). Their freedom of religion laws will be used against the one country which actually allows everyone to practice and propagate his religion (India), but top allies like Saudi Arabia will get a free pass on this law. America will swear by free markets to lobby for Wal-mart, but will not recognise freedom for labour movement. Is free enterprise only about the movement of capital and not other factors of production?

 

The Americans practice sophisticated racism. Thus they will use a Preet Bharara to target Khobragade (or Rajat Gupta or Raj Rajaratnam) so that it looks like Indian-Americans are implementing the law, and hence not racist, but the same laws will not be used to humiliate the Hispanics or Afro-Americans or the Saudis or American icons like the late Steve Jobs or to convict Richard Nixon or Bill Clinton. (Read the comments on a Washington Post story on Preet Bharara , where the commenter accuses Bharara of not following up on the alleged misdemeanours of some pillars of the American judicial establishment.)

 

Americans, despite paying very little of the UN bill, will not allow US soldiers to serve under generals of another nation, and Americans accused of war crimes cannot be tried anywhere else but in holier-than-thou US of A.

 

I can go on and on, but we must focus on the one issue I still left unaddressed: what do the Americans gain by targeting Khobragade? Or, for that matter, by denying Narendra Modi a visa, especially since Americans have always extolled business friendly politicians everywhere? Modi ought to have been their natural ally?

 

In the Khobragade case, my guess is that the US government and arrogant Preet Bharara miscalculated on how India will respond. They thought there will be the usual diplomatic muttering under the breath and then business as usual. Moreover, the US can always count on compromised bureaucrats and corrupt politicians to abandon their own diplomat.

 

But two things conspired to stiffen Indian spines. One, the IFS officers' body is not going to see one of their own humiliated thus. And two, Narendra Modi is another reason. The UPA has hanged Afzal Guru and Ajmal Kasab to undercut Modi’s hard appeal, and Modi is due in Mumbai on 22 December. Khobragade is Mumbai's child and her father was a city bureaucrat before retirement. One can imagine how Modi would have damned the UPA for cowardice when he addresses Mumbai crowds.

 

Which brings me to the last motive: why deny Modi a visa if you know he could well be the next PM? The US would never do this to a Saudi King, a Pakistani General or a Vladimir Putin or a Mossad agent, or a Chinese official, no matter what kind of atrocities they may have committed in their own countries.

 

The answer is simple: the earlier visa denial was driven by the need to pander to the domestic evangelical organisations which were baying for Modi’s blood. Evangelicals believe that Modi may act against their conversions agenda. The second reason is future leverage. The Americans want to use the visa as a bargaining chip in case Modi is the next PM, even though they hope he won’t become the PM. They fear that he will play hardball – exactly what the US does always. The US fears its own kind more than weak-kneed Indians politicians.

 

It is critical that India should not close the chapter on the Khobragade affair for a few conciliatory noises. We have to bare our fangs and show some muscle. The chances are the US will do a deal and extract concessions from the UPA government to let Khobragade off the hook. And the Indian side will bow to this blackmail and claim their hard stance has paid off and declare victory.

 

I hope this story does not play out. There are times when we have to show we are Indians, and this is one of those times. The only right response to the Khobragade insult is to treat Americans the same way they treat our kind: catch hold of a technical violator of Indian law, do some handcuffing and "cavity searches" on some of the men arrested, and then bargain about Khobragade. At the very least, we should target Preet Bharara for humiliating an Indian diplomat and make sure he never enters this country again. The writer is editor-in-chief, digital and publishing, Network18 Group Spira Residences.

Read more at: http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/current-affairs/khobragade-row-we-must-repayusthe-same-coin_1011034.html?utm_source=ref_article

 

[Raaz@NBK]

[KaNTRhi]

Vikram... Simple ga Telugu lo cheppu antha eda chadivem

[vikramgemini]

Vikram... Simple ga Telugu lo cheppu antha eda chadivem

annai KHOBRAGADE case tho AMERICA JAATHI AHANKARAM gurinchi matladadu.....a matladatam lo enno EXAMPLES CITE chesadu........

[chsrk]

NaMo's rise in central politics bringing lots of un-expected changes in UPA govt's approaches...

[chsrk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qZVhn-gkZsI

[chsrk]

thammullu.....american consulate meedha attack chesthe emosthundhi.......Walmart lanti videsi samsthalni, enno MNCs chesthunna videshi uthapathulni bahishkarinchandi.....desa ardhika swalambhana ni kaapadandi.....This is where the ideals of Mahatma gandhi, are still very much relevant in our day to day affairs..

[vikramgemini]

TESCO is COMING....it'll be followed by other BADAAAAA FOREIGN COMPANIES

[pervez]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qZVhn-gkZsI

 

Very funny, if US reduces work visas [H1], India is the only country which protests!, if they increase the H1 fee, India is the only country which protests!, if they increase the consulate visa fee, India is the only country which protests!, if they clam restrictions on H1, India is the only country which protests! Wonder why these guy's do not show the same enthusiasm in protesting against the functioning of our passport offices.

 

Ask any muslim in the world and their response, West is the enemy of islam and US in particular, when give a chance to run away from their country, which is their first preference? USA!!! and not Saudi Arabia which is stinking rich.

 

What is the question almost every IT applicant asks in the interview "Will you send me to USA?" and if the response is "We cannot sponsor now b'cuz the quota is over and you will have to wait for the fresh quota" the next question is " Can you send me on business visa?"!!!

 

 

And last but not the least, Indians are the second largest illegal immigrant group in USA!, next to the mexicans, 

[Jaitra]

Very funny, if US reduces work visas [H1], India is the only country which protests!, if they increase the H1 fee, India is the only country which protests!, if they increase the consulate visa fee, India is the only country which protests!, if they clam restrictions on H1, India is the only country which protests! Wonder why these guy's do not show the same enthusiasm in protesting against the functioning of our passport offices.

 

Ask any muslim in the world and their response, West is the enemy of islam and US in particular, when give a chance to run away from their country, which is their first preference? USA!!! and not Saudi Arabia which is stinking rich.

 

What is the question almost every IT applicant asks in the interview "Will you send me to USA?" and if the response is "We cannot sponsor now b'cuz the quota is over and you will have to wait for the fresh quota" the next question is " Can you send me on business visa?"!!!

 

 

And last but not the least, Indians are the second largest illegal immigrant group in USA!, next to the mexicans, 

 

nijama....do u have the numbers??

[pervez]

nijama....do u have the numbers??

 

 

I was unable to locate my file which contained the numbers but here is another one which will give you an idea:

 

 

 

 

LOS FRESNOS, Texas (AP) — Police wearing berets and bulletproof vests broke down the door of a Guatemala City apartment in February hunting for illegal drugs. Instead, they found a different kind of illicit shipment: 27 immigrants from India packed into two locked rooms.

 

• 

  By Eric Gay, AP

  U.S. Border Patrol sector chief Rosendo Hinojosa is interviewed at the patrol station June 7 in Edinburg, Texas.

Enlarge

By Eric Gay, AP

U.S. Border Patrol sector chief Rosendo Hinojosa is interviewed at the patrol station June 7 in Edinburg, Texas.

The Indians, whose hiding space was furnished only with soiled mattresses, claimed to be on vacation. But authorities quickly concluded they were waiting to be smuggled into the United States via an 11,000-mile (17,700-kilometer) pipeline of human cargo — the same network that has transported thousands of illegal immigrants from India, through Central America and Mexico and over the sandy banks of the Rio Grandeduring the past two years.

Indians have arrived in droves even as the overall number of illegal immigrants entering the U.S. has dropped dramatically, in large part because of the sluggish American economy. And with fewer Mexicans and Central Americans crossing the border, smugglers are eager for more "high-value cargo" like Indians, some of whom are willing to pay more than $20,000 for the journey.

"Being the businessmen they are, they need to start looking for ways to supplement that work," said Rosendo Hinojosa, chief of the U.S. Border Patrol's Rio Grande Valley Sector, at the southernmost tip of Texas, which is the most active nationwide for apprehending Indian nationals.

Between October 2009 and March 2011, the Border Patrol detained at least 2,600 illegal immigrants from India, a dramatic rise over the typical 150 to 300 arrests per year.

The influx has been so pronounced that in May, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told a Senate committee that at some point this year, Indians will account for about 1 in 3 non-Mexican illegal immigrants caught in Texas.

Most of the border-jumpers are seeking jobs, even though India's economy is growing at about 9 percent per year. Once safely inside the U.S., they fan out across the country, often relying on relatives who are already here to arrange jobs and housing.

Indians have flooded into Texas in part because U.S. authorities have cracked down on the traditional ways they used to come here, such as entering through airports with student or work visas. The tougher enforcement has made it harder for immigrants to use visas listing non-existent universities or phantom companies.

Also contributing to the spike was a quiet change in travel requirements in Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua and Honduras. Beginning in 2009, those nations sought to attract investors by allowing visitors from India to enter without visas.

Mexican authorities have been unable to stop smugglers from moving illegal Indian immigrants over their country's southern border, then north to Texas. Instead, Mexico asked neighboring Guatemala to restore the visa requirement for Indians, which it did June 6.

Still, the lack of a visa requirement allowed at least 8,300 Indians to enter Guatemala and fewer than 28 percent of them exited legally, according to Enrique Degenhart, director of Guatemalan immigration. The others disappeared to continue heading north.

Indeed, the group of Indians police discovered in Guatemala City eventually went free because, at the time, they were in Guatemala legally.

Meanwhile, El Salvador, Nicaragua and Honduras still don't require visas for Indians, meaning smugglers can shift routes and use those countries as alternate jumping-off points for the journey north.

El Salvador's director of immigration, Ruben Alvarado, said officials have begun quizzing arriving Indians about what Salvadoran tourist sites they intend to visit in an attempt to spot those entering the country simply to head north.

Indians caught by U.S. authorities often claim they fled their homeland because of religious persecution. Then they wait for months in federal detention centers like Port Isabel, in the town of Los Fresnos, about an hour's drive from the Texas-Mexico border.

On a recent morning at Port Isabel, young Indian men wearing navy blue detention uniforms filled the benches in Immigration Judge Keith Hunsucker's courtroom. Sixteen of the 32 cases on the docket were Indian immigrants, including Salimbhai Mansiya, from the state of Gujarat, who had been detained more than a month earlier.

Through an interpreter, Mansiya told the judge that he needed more time to find an English speaker who could help him fill out an application for asylum. The judge ordered his case delayed.

The Justice Department's Executive Office for Immigration Review received 951 requests for asylum from Indian nationals between October and March — a six-month tally nearly equal to 1,002 asylum requests received from Indians in all of fiscal 2010.

Some seeking asylum can arrange to have their bond paid and are set free. Then they melt into American society and skip subsequent court dates. Immigration courts eventually order them deported, but only in absentia.

Many of those detained in Texas hail from Indian states such as Punjab and Gujarat, places that are relatively prosperous and where it's common for people to seek greater fortunes abroad even if they are financially secure at home.

Pramod Kumar, a political scientist at the Institute for Development and Communication in the Punjab capital of Chandigarh, said immigrating to other countries is an important regional tradition that's even reflected in folk songs.

If people face dire economic straits, "you try and sell your land and go abroad," Kumar said. "If you're prosperous, still you go abroad because, culturally, it gives you a higher status."

Many immigrants take jobs driving trucks or taxis or working on farms. Initially, the pay is not substantially greater than they would make back home, but simply living in the West elevates their social standing in India. And over time, their earnings increase, Kumar said.

Smugglers often move their cargo from India to Mexico via intermediate stops such asHong Kong and Macao and other parts of China, as well as Singapore, Amsterdam, Ecuador, Brazil, Belize and Panama.

The pipeline shuffles Indians north using the same "plazas," or corridors, preferred by cartels moving drugs into the U.S., Hinojosa said.

"It's very organized," he said. "They're pushing narcotics through those plazas. They're pushing aliens through those plazas. And it's almost like the mob where they're paying for the right to use that land at a certain time at a certain point."

By the time they reach American soil, Indians are mingled with groups of Mexicans and Central Americans. They are often captured after swimming the Rio Grande or traversing it in rafts. Almost none carry identification or speak English or Spanish, Hinojosa said.

Many of the Indians apprehended are Sikhs, followers of India's fourth-largest religion, who tell authorities they face persecution back home and want asylum. Applicants need to convince officials that they have a credible fear of persecution in India. If so, the case is referred to an immigration judge.

Such persecution was common in the mid-1980s, when the state battled a Sikh secessionist movement, Kumar said. But today the ruling party in Punjab is Akali Dal, a Sikh party, and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is also Sikh.

[Jaitra]

I was unable to locate my file which contained the numbers but here is another one which will give you an idea:

 

 

 

 

LOS FRESNOS, Texas (AP) — Police wearing berets and bulletproof vests broke down the door of a Guatemala City apartment in February hunting for illegal drugs. Instead, they found a different kind of illicit shipment: 27 immigrants from India packed into two locked rooms.

 

• 

  By Eric Gay, AP

  U.S. Border Patrol sector chief Rosendo Hinojosa is interviewed at the patrol station June 7 in Edinburg, Texas.

Enlarge

By Eric Gay, AP

U.S. Border Patrol sector chief Rosendo Hinojosa is interviewed at the patrol station June 7 in Edinburg, Texas.

The Indians, whose hiding space was furnished only with soiled mattresses, claimed to be on vacation. But authorities quickly concluded they were waiting to be smuggled into the United States via an 11,000-mile (17,700-kilometer) pipeline of human cargo — the same network that has transported thousands of illegal immigrants from India, through Central America and Mexico and over the sandy banks of the Rio Grandeduring the past two years.

Indians have arrived in droves even as the overall number of illegal immigrants entering the U.S. has dropped dramatically, in large part because of the sluggish American economy. And with fewer Mexicans and Central Americans crossing the border, smugglers are eager for more "high-value cargo" like Indians, some of whom are willing to pay more than $20,000 for the journey.

"Being the businessmen they are, they need to start looking for ways to supplement that work," said Rosendo Hinojosa, chief of the U.S. Border Patrol's Rio Grande Valley Sector, at the southernmost tip of Texas, which is the most active nationwide for apprehending Indian nationals.

Between October 2009 and March 2011, the Border Patrol detained at least 2,600 illegal immigrants from India, a dramatic rise over the typical 150 to 300 arrests per year.

The influx has been so pronounced that in May, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano told a Senate committee that at some point this year, Indians will account for about 1 in 3 non-Mexican illegal immigrants caught in Texas.

Most of the border-jumpers are seeking jobs, even though India's economy is growing at about 9 percent per year. Once safely inside the U.S., they fan out across the country, often relying on relatives who are already here to arrange jobs and housing.

Indians have flooded into Texas in part because U.S. authorities have cracked down on the traditional ways they used to come here, such as entering through airports with student or work visas. The tougher enforcement has made it harder for immigrants to use visas listing non-existent universities or phantom companies.

Also contributing to the spike was a quiet change in travel requirements in Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua and Honduras. Beginning in 2009, those nations sought to attract investors by allowing visitors from India to enter without visas.

Mexican authorities have been unable to stop smugglers from moving illegal Indian immigrants over their country's southern border, then north to Texas. Instead, Mexico asked neighboring Guatemala to restore the visa requirement for Indians, which it did June 6.

Still, the lack of a visa requirement allowed at least 8,300 Indians to enter Guatemala and fewer than 28 percent of them exited legally, according to Enrique Degenhart, director of Guatemalan immigration. The others disappeared to continue heading north.

Indeed, the group of Indians police discovered in Guatemala City eventually went free because, at the time, they were in Guatemala legally.

Meanwhile, El Salvador, Nicaragua and Honduras still don't require visas for Indians, meaning smugglers can shift routes and use those countries as alternate jumping-off points for the journey north.

El Salvador's director of immigration, Ruben Alvarado, said officials have begun quizzing arriving Indians about what Salvadoran tourist sites they intend to visit in an attempt to spot those entering the country simply to head north.

Indians caught by U.S. authorities often claim they fled their homeland because of religious persecution. Then they wait for months in federal detention centers like Port Isabel, in the town of Los Fresnos, about an hour's drive from the Texas-Mexico border.

On a recent morning at Port Isabel, young Indian men wearing navy blue detention uniforms filled the benches in Immigration Judge Keith Hunsucker's courtroom. Sixteen of the 32 cases on the docket were Indian immigrants, including Salimbhai Mansiya, from the state of Gujarat, who had been detained more than a month earlier.

Through an interpreter, Mansiya told the judge that he needed more time to find an English speaker who could help him fill out an application for asylum. The judge ordered his case delayed.

The Justice Department's Executive Office for Immigration Review received 951 requests for asylum from Indian nationals between October and March — a six-month tally nearly equal to 1,002 asylum requests received from Indians in all of fiscal 2010.

Some seeking asylum can arrange to have their bond paid and are set free. Then they melt into American society and skip subsequent court dates. Immigration courts eventually order them deported, but only in absentia.

Many of those detained in Texas hail from Indian states such as Punjab and Gujarat, places that are relatively prosperous and where it's common for people to seek greater fortunes abroad even if they are financially secure at home.

Pramod Kumar, a political scientist at the Institute for Development and Communication in the Punjab capital of Chandigarh, said immigrating to other countries is an important regional tradition that's even reflected in folk songs.

If people face dire economic straits, "you try and sell your land and go abroad," Kumar said. "If you're prosperous, still you go abroad because, culturally, it gives you a higher status."

Many immigrants take jobs driving trucks or taxis or working on farms. Initially, the pay is not substantially greater than they would make back home, but simply living in the West elevates their social standing in India. And over time, their earnings increase, Kumar said.

Smugglers often move their cargo from India to Mexico via intermediate stops such asHong Kong and Macao and other parts of China, as well as Singapore, Amsterdam, Ecuador, Brazil, Belize and Panama.

The pipeline shuffles Indians north using the same "plazas," or corridors, preferred by cartels moving drugs into the U.S., Hinojosa said.

"It's very organized," he said. "They're pushing narcotics through those plazas. They're pushing aliens through those plazas. And it's almost like the mob where they're paying for the right to use that land at a certain time at a certain point."

By the time they reach American soil, Indians are mingled with groups of Mexicans and Central Americans. They are often captured after swimming the Rio Grande or traversing it in rafts. Almost none carry identification or speak English or Spanish, Hinojosa said.

Many of the Indians apprehended are Sikhs, followers of India's fourth-largest religion, who tell authorities they face persecution back home and want asylum. Applicants need to convince officials that they have a credible fear of persecution in India. If so, the case is referred to an immigration judge.

Such persecution was common in the mid-1980s, when the state battled a Sikh secessionist movemenst, Kumar said. But today the ruling party in Punjab is Akali Dal, a Sikh party, and Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is also Sikh.

hmmm.....mostly Gujjus and Punjabis anukunta......

[Seniorfan]

hmmm.....mostly Gujjus and Punjabis anukunta......

 

Asylum ante minorities i vundali kada ?

[Sr Fan]

aa  guatamela dhi  yeppudo jarigindhi....Some low level ....That is  not the typical example or sample of  Indian aspirants  going overseas...It does not even represent the  REAL SCENARIO  about  Indian community in US.....It is gross misrepresentation...... that is the problem with  using  Internet pasted info s  etc without total measurement on the subject.....

 

Indian community  is one of the most educated, highly qualified, cultured, well behaved,family centered,traditional, economically potent  immigrant groups.....could easily be in the top three.... Indian community is the prized group for the American society for the  values they bring to the mix and to overall stream..

 

When the politicians talk here about illegal immigration problem, it is in the back drop of  mexicans and  south americans......Nothing to do with  India, in practical sense.....

 

Why undercutting our own  goodness .....In a more measured and balanced  view, looking at the overall health and status in all fronts among new entrees, Indian community is the producers in a big way...

[ntr_paritala]

200k Illegal immigrants in US from India. That is 2 %. It is very low for obvious reasons

 

Country of origin Raw number Percent of total Percent change 2000 to 2009

Mexico 6,650,000 62% +42%

El Salvador 530,000 5% +25%

Guatemala 480,000 4% +65%

Honduras 320,000 3% +95%

Philippines 270,000 2% +33%

India 200,000 2% +64%

Korea 200,000 2% +14%

Ecuador 170,000 2% +55%

Brazil 150,000 1% +49%

China 120,000 1% -37%

Other 1,650,000 15% -17%

[Sr Fan]

There is a misconception among Indians and even others about how  H1 b visas.....usually work and concept behind in business sense

 

ikkada  sarigga  chuudaalsina vishayam  yemitante ,  it is  business....... Both  groups  employer and employee both get in to contract for the price of service.......Market lo  istam vunna vasthuvunu  konukkunnatlu....

 

Always  tell our bros.... H1b meedha pani chese vaallu   businessmen..... ikkada yevariki   free handouts vundavu......  Services offered in open market.....Price paid to the market and demand situations.....

 

yevaru  dhaatalu kaadhu...... victims kaadhu....

 

Ofcourse  business lo  mutual lobbyings .....mutual consent tho  anni jaruguthaayi.....Any time any player can walk out with out pressure....the essence of fair business....Indian  H1 b  andhuloki vasthadhi.....highly skilled technical people selling their services.....

 

Please  bros do not get mistaken... these  businesses, lobbying ,  posturing etc is anything to do with    Charity handouts( that is business too in  different sense)  US gives to  pak and other arab countries....

[vikramgemini]

SR FAN AKA VASU annai USA lo edo state lo MARIJUANA legala cheyalani appudu try chesinattu vunnaru.....is it still under consideration??

 

monnane URUGUAY LEGALIZE chesindi ga MARIJUANA......also USA lo legalize chesthe e DRUG TRADE thaggutunda USA - MEXICO border lo??

[vikramgemini]

aa  guatamela dhi  yeppudo jarigindhi....Some low level ....That is  not the typical example or sample of  Indian aspirants  going overseas...It does not even represent the  REAL SCENARIO  about  Indian community in US.....It is gross misrepresentation...... that is the problem with  using  Internet pasted info s  etc without total measurement on the subject.....

 

Indian community  is one of the most educated, highly qualified, cultured, well behaved,family centered,traditional, economically potent  immigrant groups.....could easily be in the top three.... Indian community is the prized group for the American society for the  values they bring to the mix and to overall stream..

 

When the politicians talk here about illegal immigration problem, it is in the back drop of  mexicans and  south americans......Nothing to do with  India, in practical sense.....

 

Why undercutting our own  goodness .....In a more measured and balanced  view, looking at the overall health and status in all fronts among new entrees, Indian community is the producers in a big way...

annai USA lo MAIDS ni employ chesukunte LOCALS entha pay chestharu and NON LOCALS like us elanti pay ivvali ??

[Sr Fan]

SR FAN AKA VASU annai USA lo edo state lo MARIJUANA legala cheyalani appudu try chesinattu vunnaru.....is it still under consideration??

 

monnane URUGUAY LEGALIZE chesindi ga MARIJUANA......also USA lo legalize chesthe e DRUG TRADE thaggutunda USA - MEXICO border lo??

 

pedha topic bro adhi.... samagram gaa ayithe....

 

very few states lo legalized......ee madhya kaalam lo.... Usually  narcotics ante  hard stuff krindhaku vasthadhi.... meeru cheppina painadhi  ground and typical gaa  aa category lo ki raadhu.....

 

Legalize chesthe  thaggudhi anedhi  not only liberal .....some libertarians kuuda anukontaaru..... I doubt it....

[vikramgemini]

pedha topic bro adhi.... samagram gaa ayithe....

 

very few states lo legalized......ee madhya kaalam lo.... Usually  narcotics ante  hard stuff krindhaku vasthadhi.... meeru cheppina painadhi  ground and typical gaa  aa category lo ki raadhu.....

 

Legalize chesthe  thaggudhi anedhi  not only liberal .....some libertarians kuuda anukontaaru..... I doubt it....

ok....thx annai

[vikramgemini]

MAIDS ki EMPLOYER earn chese money kante more money pay cheyali ani argue chesaru US representatives...i didnt get it......could you throw some light on it?

[Sr Fan]

Vikram bro....  Usually company ceo s kuuda  pedha ga  maintain cheyyaru...... in  a more normal sense  baaga busy vunna vaallu  cleanings ki atla  services  thechukontaaru...... but not a usual practice.....

 

 

inka  Society lo vunde 1% celebrities, high wealthy people  ofcourse  use chesthaaru..... madonna lu, michael jordan lu ...u got it.....

 

maamuluga  company ceo lu kuuda   vaalla car vaalle drive chesukontaaru.....few exceptions  higly busy  eastern corridor like ny etc....adhi kuuda  afford cheyyagaligithe ...

 

aa vidham gaa

[vikramgemini]

Vikram bro....  Usually company ceo s kuuda  pedha ga  maintain cheyyaru...... in  a more normal sense  baaga busy vunna vaallu  cleanings ki atla  services  thechukontaaru...... but not a usual practice.....

 

 

inka  Society lo vunde 1% celebrities, high wealthy people  ofcourse  use chesthaaru..... madonna lu, michael jordan lu ...u got it.....

 

maamuluga  company ceo lu kuuda   vaalla car vaalle drive chesukontaaru.....few exceptions  higly busy  eastern corridor like ny etc....adhi kuuda  afford cheyyagaligithe ...

 

aa vidham gaa

okok.....but incase employ chesukunte matuku , their services come with a hefty price tag a annai??

[Sr Fan]

MAIDS ki EMPLOYER earn chese money kante more money pay cheyali ani argue chesaru US representatives...i didnt get it......could you throw some light on it?

 

Western mind... British orign .... anni   papers meedha  vundaali  antaaru......technical gaa correct ane vidham gaa....

 

aa  lekhana ayithe ...... manaku  central ministers laaga ikkada ....President elect ayina taruvatha    Cabinet ki members ni select chesukoni  congress( sabha)  ki  pampisthaadu....confirmation ki.....

 

appudappu..... aneka   complainings tho...views.....political judgements...ethics etc  chuustha vuntaaru......alanti   sandharbhaallo    yeppudanna  opposition party vaallu kaani,   media kaani   thavvi .....idhigo   ithanu   correct gaa pay cheyyaledhu maid ki ....lantivi vasthaayi....usual gaa  yedho  sardhu manigi pothaayi.......yethaa vaatha  mari   pedha godava chesthe , president  vere  vaallanu  Cabinet  post  select chesthaadu.....same for  Supreme court judges , ambassadors etc....

 

yeppudu  thavvi   aa  appointee meedha   criminal case lu pettina   examples  I have not seen.........criminalization  anedhi   ledhu  even for   highest  appointees of  govt.....political gaa  oka minor nuisance lekhana..... mana   ambati ki  sanjana yentha effect oo  antha ...anthe...cable tv la lo vere  substantial news lekapothe..... pedha   news vunte  nobody even try to bring out....they worry about more  other significant issues

 

So you can measure....

[Sr Fan]

okok.....but incase employ chesukunte matuku , their services come with a hefty price tag a annai??

 

hours lekhana  chesukoni pampinchi vesthaaru.....tricky situation yemitante,   ila  India nunchi thechukunna vaallu  usual  gaa  intlo vunchukuntaaru......pillala pani maatrame  chuusina day time lo....raatri vaalla inti lo vuntaaru....separate housing ante  ...pai case lo  Ny lo apt ante  adhirpothundhi ...adhi  manhattan lo..... maid  bhayata vundaalanna....inka  other foods anni yerpaatlu  usual gaa take care ayipothaa vuntaayi......that maid has malice in her mind, looking at the case.....technical gaa pattochu ani   Baraara  use chesaadu.....inka  aa  maid family India lo  bhartha philips, vaalla sambandhaalu  American consulate tho ....something shady  laaga vundhi.... alaaga

[vikramgemini]

Western mind... British orign .... anni   papers meedha  vundaali  antaaru......technical gaa correct ane vidham gaa....

 

aa  lekhana ayithe ...... manaku  central ministers laaga ikkada ....President elect ayina taruvatha    Cabinet ki members ni select chesukoni  congress( sabha)  ki  pampisthaadu....confirmation ki.....

 

appudappu..... aneka   complainings tho...views.....political judgements...ethics etc  chuustha vuntaaru......alanti   sandharbhaallo    yeppudanna  opposition party vaallu kaani,   media kaani   thavvi .....idhigo   ithanu   correct gaa pay cheyyaledhu maid ki ....lantivi vasthaayi....usual gaa  yedho  sardhu manigi pothaayi.......yethaa vaatha  mari   pedha godava chesthe , president  vere  vaallanu  Cabinet  post  select chesthaadu.....same for  Supreme court judges , ambassadors etc....

 

yeppudu  thavvi   aa  appointee meedha   criminal case lu pettina   examples  I have not seen.........criminalization  anedhi   ledhu  even for   highest  appointees of  govt.....political gaa  oka minor nuisance lekhana..... mana   ambati ki  sanjana yentha effect oo  antha ...anthe...cable tv la lo vere  substantial news lekapothe..... pedha   news vunte  nobody even try to bring out....they worry about more  other significant issues

 

So you can measure....

 

hours lekhana  chesukoni pampinchi vesthaaru.....tricky situation yemitante,   ila  India nunchi thechukunna vaallu  usual  gaa  intlo vunchukuntaaru......pillala pani maatrame  chuusina day time lo....raatri vaalla inti lo vuntaaru....separate housing ante  ...pai case lo  Ny lo apt ante  adhirpothundhi ...adhi  manhattan lo..... maid  bhayata vundaalanna....inka  other foods anni yerpaatlu  usual gaa take care ayipothaa vuntaayi......that maid has malice in her mind, looking at the case.....technical gaa pattochu ani   Baraara  use chesaadu.....inka  aa  maid family India lo  bhartha philips, vaalla sambandhaalu  American consulate tho ....something shady  laaga vundhi.... alaaga

ya ardham ayyindi annai.......

[vikramgemini]

meeru working a annai??

[Sr Fan]

society ki threat vunna vaallanu  serial killers ni,  terrorists ni , drug mafia ni  ante   alaa  pattukovadam lo  oka reason vuntadhi...... Alleged violation( prove kaanidhi) ki  ila react avvatam,   school lo pillalanu drop chesthunnappudu ,  female( threat level thakkuva vuntadhi  ) ni ,  oka  Big  democratic country  ambassdor ni  cheyyatam..... it is not debatable issue......Over the line, everybody will acknowledge....

[Sr Fan]

meeru working a annai??

 

avunu 

[Sr Fan]

so u have the picture now vikaram bro....even without knowing some native details here, your take on those are balanced nicely with  common sense......good going..