Elon Musk about EVM : he does not trust EVM. He wants Paper Ballot.

[Vihari]

Elon Musk about EVM : he does not trust EVM. He wants Paper Ballot only for all elections. He said it is easy to hack EVM and add one line of code in program which could change result of elections. 

 

[Mobile GOM]

🤣🤣😂😂

[Vihari]

now bhakts on twitter trying to cover this up saying US EVMs are connected to network and can be hacked. and bhakts wants to boycott twitter on twitter against twitter owner. 

[krishna_a]

If it’s not connected to Internet and the device is well tested for firmware issues , where is the problem ?  Software is easy to hack but once deployed and disconnected from internet,   how ???? Not possible. 

[Seniorfan]

Can be hacked easily with Israel technology 

[Uravakonda]

This is internal to country. Aadevvadu comment cheyadaniki? 

Personally, I don't trust EVMs. Inka better way kavali. But, not paper ballots as well. 

Edited October 19 by Uravakonda

[Vihari]

1 hour ago, krishna_a said:

If it’s not connected to Internet and the device is well tested for firmware issues , where is the problem ?  Software is easy to hack but once deployed and disconnected from internet,   how ???? Not possible. 

EVM machine ayina core program is built based on C++ programming. Elon musk built AI company called XAi. you think he does not know how it can be hacked?

[krishna_a]

without connectivity, standalone cannot be hacked. You need some port open for external malware to enter and corrupt.   Max you can tamper the machine before or while the code is being deployed.   But once it is tested, deployed to the machine and the machine is disconnected,  it is impossible for hacker to enter into it.

Edited October 19 by krishna_a

[Mobile GOM]

16 minutes ago, krishna_a said:

without connectivity, standalone cannot be hacked. You need some port open for external malware to enter and corrupt.   Max you can tamper the machine before or while the code is being deployed.   But once it is tested, deployed to the machine and the machine is disconnected,  it is impossible for hacker to enter into it.

Yup that’s true. Musk gaadu edo vaagu taadu notiki vachhi nattu vp gaadu.

[krishna_a]

1 hour ago, Vihari said:

EVM machine ayina core program is built based on C++ programming. Elon musk built AI company called XAi. you think he does not know how it can be hacked?

He is shrewd businessman with loads of money to execute his ambitious plans.  Respect for his commitment. Dot. 

Technology wise, he is as good as top techies - he is not a magician to do abra-ka-dabra and do anything he wants to do. 

[ravindras]

paper ballot pedithe rigging easy, fast gaa avvuddhi. booth capturing, ballot box lo ink poyyadam, ethukupovadam inkaa chaalaa vunnaayi. jagga ki police lu cooperate chesthaaru.  evm lo rigging ki scope ledhani india alliance parties ballot box pettamantunnaayi. ec ki ground realities thelusu.  musk gisk emi cheppinaa pattinchukovalsina avasaram ledhu. evm ni manipulate chese scope vunte tdp, jdu meedha bjp depend ayyedhaa? 

[Seniorfan]

3 hours ago, Uravakonda said:

This is internal to country. Aadevvadu comment cheyadaniki? 

Personally, I don't trust EVMs. Inka better way kavali. But, not paper ballots as well. 

Vaadu w r t US elections comment chesi vuntadu. Not related to India. Ikkada GRE test paper laa circles dark chesi machine feed cheyadame. Immediate gaa machine loki vellipothundhi result. They might save the paper as well for some time.

[Vihari]

1 hour ago, krishna_a said:

without connectivity, standalone cannot be hacked. You need some port open for external malware to enter and corrupt.   Max you can tamper the machine before or while the code is being deployed.   But once it is tested, deployed to the machine and the machine is disconnected,  it is impossible for hacker to enter into it.

ivi anni ant and elephant stories. just malware tho hack chesina machines enno unnayi. 

[Vihari]

Just now, Seniorfan said:

Vaadu w r t US elections comment chesi vuntadu. Not related to India. Ikkada GRE test paper laa circles dark chesi machine feed cheyadame. Immediate gaa machine loki vellipothundhi result. They might save the paper as well for some time.

there are plenty of examples where polled votes count did not match voters present under a booth. how is that possible?

[Seniorfan]

2 minutes ago, Vihari said:

there are plenty of examples where polled votes count did not match voters present under a booth. how is that possible?

India or US. Scams ekkadanna jaraga vachhu… mail in ballots feed chesinavi malli malli feed chesi lekka penchinaaru ani Trump fans annattu gurthu last time.

[Vihari]

29 minutes ago, Seniorfan said:

India or US. Scams ekkadanna jaraga vachhu… mail in ballots feed chesinavi malli malli feed chesi lekka penchinaaru ani Trump fans annattu gurthu last time.

india lone so many EVM issues. polled votes match avvavu. EVMs sarigga pani cheyavu. oka button nokkithe inko button ki padathayi votes. ila enno issues. 

[ChiefMinister]

2 hours ago, krishna_a said:

without connectivity, standalone cannot be hacked. You need some port open for external malware to enter and corrupt.   Max you can tamper the machine before or while the code is being deployed.   But once it is tested, deployed to the machine and the machine is disconnected,  it is impossible for hacker to enter into it.

what kind of tests are performed..?

I  personally dont trust machines...  but need to know all of these things...

[krishna_a]

Hacking is not same tampering. Understand the difference. 
If EC wants to tamper, they can tamper.  If the manufacturer wants to install a buggy software, he can.  
But hacker can’t access the machine without connectivity.   Rest my case here. 

[ChiefMinister]

1 hour ago, krishna_a said:

Hacking is not same tampering. Understand the difference. 
If EC wants to tamper, they can tamper.  If the manufacturer wants to install a buggy software, he can.  
But hacker can’t access the machine without connectivity.   Rest my case here. 

yes..i accept .. always i cant trust machines..

[krishna_a]

17 minutes ago, ChiefMinister said:

yes..i accept .. always i cant trust machines..

Yeah I understand.  The trust factor depends on one's knowledge and comfort about the machine.

My Father(doing agriculture) doesnt trust excel sheets to calculate. He uses Pen & Paper.  Even when I copy the data in excel , apply formulas and tell him the answers, he doesn't trust. But I know these are basic things that excel cant do wrong.  Simple example but applicable to all machines. 

[ChiefMinister]

4 hours ago, krishna_a said:

Yeah I understand.  The trust factor depends on one's knowledge and comfort about the machine.

My Father(doing agriculture) doesn't trust excel sheets to calculate. He uses Pen & Paper.  Even when I copy the data in excel , apply formulas and tell him the answers, he doesn't trust. But I know these are basic things that excel cant do wrong.  Simple example but applicable to all machines. 

it depends on one's interest bro.. meeru 100 pc support chestunnaru so you are trying to justify with the concept of knowledge etc., 

Reality entante machines ni nammalem.. enni sarlu bugs raledu updates raavu MS office lo kuda..?

 

 

[chanu@ntrfan]

Eedi xxxxx naakuthunna bhakths….ee topic lo kooda naakalamaa……

[Vihari]

8 hours ago, krishna_a said:

Hacking is not same tampering. Understand the difference. 
If EC wants to tamper, they can tamper.  If the manufacturer wants to install a buggy software, he can.  
But hacker can’t access the machine without connectivity.   Rest my case here. 

and why you are blindly defending BJP and EC here? what are the tests performed on these instances? 

[krishna_a]

40 minutes ago, Vihari said:

and why you are blindly defending BJP and EC here? what are the tests performed on these instances? 

Read this topic again and find out where I have supported or opposed anyone.  I said any machine without internet cant be hacked.  Pls don't try to tag agenda on others. 

[Vihari]

16 minutes ago, krishna_a said:

Read this topic again and find out where I have supported or opposed anyone.  I said any machine without internet cant be hacked.  Pls don't try to tag agenda on others. 

malli ade maata antavu. net connection avasaram lekapoina hack cheyagalaru. stuxnet ani google seyi. just okkasari aa machine usb or some other wire ki connect ayithe chalu. aa virus ni pampinchi hack cestharu. asalu ivi avasaram lekunda machine just EM radiation transmit chesina hack cheyagalaru. ivi emi teliyakunda ee thread vesam anukunnama. memu antha neeku antha illeterates laaga kanabaduthunnama? asalu neede edo self agenda undi ikkada. ekkada leni time techukoni defend chesthunavbu since yesterday.

[krishna_a]

7 minutes ago, Vihari said:

malli ade maata antavu. net connection avasaram lekapoina hack cheyagalaru. stuxnet ani google seyi. just okkasari aa machine usb or some other wire ki connect ayithe chalu. aa virus ni pampinchi hack cestharu. asalu ivi avasaram lekunda machine just EM radiation transmit chesina hack cheyagalaru. ivi emi teliyakunda ee thread vesam anukunnama. memu antha neeku antha illeterates laaga kanabaduthunnama? asalu neede edo self agenda undi ikkada. ekkada leni time techukoni defend chesthunavbu since yesterday.

Relax brother. Read my comments again, I said "hacker can’t access the machine without connectivity. "    USB or wired or wifi all are connections and a computer needs "port" to talk to.  Without a "port', it is not possible to hack ( write and tamper data in it ).  And via EM , they can read data from the system but cant write data into it. This also when the function is simple like card readers etc.  A complex machine doing many ops has so much of "noise" for this types of hack to work. I just added some thoughts on what Musk said.  Technology is my core strength and I will tell whats right.

Least interested in political discussions in this thread.  If there is a political intent in this thread,  you guys pls carry on. 

[krishna_a]

EVMs used in US apparently has connectivity and in that context Musk is right.  As per EC, Indian EVMs have no possibility of establishing connection.

[Rajakeeyam]

Like Indian EC, US election commission should invite for hacking, let’s see if musk will hack and show 

[Vihari]

7 minutes ago, krishna_a said:

Relax brother. Read my comments again, I said "hacker can’t access the machine without connectivity. "    USB or wired or wifi all are connections and a computer needs "port" to talk to.  Without a "port', it is not possible to hack ( write and tamper data in it ).  And via EM , they can read data from the system but cant write data into it. This also when the function is simple like card readers etc.  A complex machine doing many ops has so much of "noise" for this types of hack to work. I just added some thoughts on what Musk said.  Technology is my core strength and I will tell whats right.

Least interested in political discussions in this thread.  If there is a political intent in this thread,  you guys pls carry on. 

 

without port how do you think EVM machine can be maintained ? without memory card how do you think EVM data can be stored? without port how do you think memory card data extracted to see results and count? without port or even some sort of connection how do you think EVM machine can be maintained and corrected for errors? i am also developer and i know various ways that a machine can go wrong. 

[Vihari]

4 minutes ago, krishna_a said:

EVMs used in US apparently has connectivity and in that context Musk is right.  As per EC, Indian EVMs have no possibility of establishing connection.

US EVMs are atleast are under scrutiny for 3 years as they do store data. but India EVMs are not maintained and data deleted mostly in 90 days. i don't rust indian EVM.