Russian oil for India

[NatuGadu]

It's good lesson for India. Do not dependent on imports...

[kurnool NTR]

9 hours ago, Sr Fan said:

On point brother, also let me add a bit to that saudi issue...

"  Saudis considering selling oil to China in Yuan, not USD "

Ever since Biden admin. started, they snubbed Saudi Arabia & insulted MBS (undiplomatic) to a point, where MBS is not taking the phone calls of US president.

Self destruction, it defies logic.

A strong thought stemming from the recent happenings - ‘Let the ancient cultures prevail and direct the world. It is thought more population is a poverty but the countries with more population will be the leaders in future’.

[kurnool NTR]

5 hours ago, chanti149 said:

Using SWIFT and other usa companies shutting down operations..... For diplomatic blackmail..... Very wrong steps from west... 

This doesnt isolate just russia only, but all other major nations which are not part of NATO......obviously now all these nations will rethink.. Wat if we are also made to face similar blackmail from west...!! 

I think it’s an eye opener for all the countries including western countries in Europe. 

[Sr Fan]

8 hours ago, chanti149 said:

Using SWIFT and other usa companies shutting down operations..... For diplomatic blackmail..... Very wrong steps from west... 

This doesnt isolate just russia only, but all other major nations which are not part of NATO......obviously now all these nations will rethink.. Wat if we are also made to face similar blackmail from west...!! 

Like a deft swan, picked the inherent point,  Chanti brother.👍

8 hours ago, chanti149 said:

Pedda re alignment emundi... Idi business as usual only

India never took sides... Neutral only... 

So now also doing same... Will continue business with both sides....!! 

Not about India which is doing fine;  Around the world I think, they mean, with the changing current dynamics, gears are shifting underneath and new systems to work around.

Necessity is mother of Invention, Who is eventually going to lose out  ! 

[Sr Fan]

8 hours ago, NatuGadu said:

It's good lesson for India. Do not dependent on imports...

 Always have knack for picking the essence, Natu brother 👍 - your feeling is well crafted in long standing Indian policy. We may not have oil, got to import that commodity, but we hedge our bets wisely.

[Sr Fan]

4 hours ago, kurnool NTR said:

A strong thought stemming from the recent happenings - ‘Let the ancient cultures prevail and direct the world. It is thought more population is a poverty but the countries with more population will be the leaders in future’.

Brother - We are slowly moving away  from the post colonial mindset to De-coloniality,  good days for Indic Civilization.

[Rajakeeyam]

Enemies pogidithe aa kickeee veru

 

 

[Vivaan]

On 3/17/2022 at 8:15 AM, kurnool NTR said:

Modi has an opportunity to buy oil at discounted price and reduce ever surging petrol prices in India. 

Alaage padi edavamani cheppandi...vaallu cheyagaligedi emi undadu. UK forums lo kooda ilaage edustunnaru. India's money, India's business, India's decision. While I sympathise with Ukraine, I don't think US or anyone else has got any moral right to question or point fingers at India.

[kurnool NTR]

22 minutes ago, Rajakeeyam said:

Enemies pogidithe aa kickeee veru

 

 

Yes this is one of the best decisions Modi has taken. Stand by the long standing friends and try to reduce the influence by West as much as possible. 

[Sr Fan]

Beware Dear brothers.:

Those who consume religiously the daily vitamin doses of likes of FB s, Twitter s , Instagram s , google universes etc, summarily - the total western establishment media echo chambers,  will not be in a position to shake off the war frenzy currently gripping the west. Intelligence depts. know how to leverage and use those Tech. companies to their 'narratives', dont even doubt it.  

Hard to resist and not get consumed with that carefully erected  and propagated cultish statures of likes of Zelensky etc. and the sentimental war messages & emotional feed you digest innocently.   War drums are beating with reckless abandon by overwhelming media of all varieties, you dont even know or notice it if you are already caught up in this mania. 

Thats the reason in this thread, the focus is put at the 'root problem', once you comprehend that whole picture, sorting out becomes easy. if there are any Genuine Q s or Counter points, dear bros. - shoot here, we can go over them. Peace.

[Uravakonda]

6 hours ago, Rajakeeyam said:

Enemies pogidithe aa kickeee veru

 

 

Pogudatam ok. But, corruption free ante nammadam kastam.

[chanti149]

13 hours ago, Rajakeeyam said:

Enemies pogidithe aa kickeee veru

 

 

Superrrrrr

[Sr Fan]

15 hours ago, Uravakonda said:

Pogudatam ok. But, corruption free ante nammadam kastam.

Uravakonda brother,  We have to consider few things in perspective. 

In Pak. not only army ruled directly, even when they let namesake civilian govts. be the frontal face they control the  govts. from behind; Also, Pak army runs some industries(bakeries, cereal, cement, Insurance etc and many) as side business purposes - Billions of dollars worth. Every Pak general big or small, keep assets in overseas, hard to believe one even has multiple Pizza franchise businesses in Canada.

MIC in US - controls and funds, politicians of all colors dance to their tunes, this thread highlights the perils of such influence on public policy and current gin up war frenzy mood, and also many in the past instances. Billions/Trillions on stake for control. Corruption all over. 

Indian Army - As an Institution strong in its domain but never interfered in civilian govts.; Since 1947, Army has been taking orders from civilian authority without any exception including war times.  They never had any commercial business outside their domain, and no management of politicians or lobbying unlike above cases.

Even Imran khan, like a broken clock is right in this fact; But his motive to highlight this obvious thing has something to do with his present sour relations with Pak. army. & changing in posture in an attempt to win public for his faint attempt to survive in power. 

When we assess we have to keep these things in mind., Indian Army deserves all those accolades for their professionalism. 

[ravindras]

37 minutes ago, Sr Fan said:

Uravakonda brother,  We have to consider few things in perspective. 

In Pak. not only army ruled directly, even when they let namesake civilian govts. be the frontal face they control the  govts. from behind; Also, Pak army runs some industries(bakeries, cereal, cement, Insurance etc and many) as side business purposes - Billions of dollars worth. Every Pak general big or small, keep assets in overseas, hard to believe one even has multiple Pizza franchise businesses in Canada.

MIC in US - controls and funds, politicians of all colors dance to their tunes, this thread highlights the perils of such influence on public policy and current gin up war frenzy mood, and also many in the past instances. Billions/Trillions on stake for control. Corruption all over. 

Indian Army - As an Institution strong in its domain but never interfered in civilian govts.; Since 1947, Army has been taking orders from civilian authority without any exception including war times.  They never had any commercial business outside their domain, and no management of politicians or lobbying unlike above cases.

Even Imran khan, like a broken clock is right in this fact; But his motive to highlight this obvious thing has something to do with his present sour relations with Pak. army. & changing in posture in an attempt to win public for his faint attempt to survive in power. 

When we assess we have to keep these things in mind., Indian Army deserves all those accolades for their professionalism. 

One difference between India and Pakistan is building institution and preserving independence, sense of purpose of institutions. Pakistan failed in building and preserving institutions. 

Unfortunately our present regime using every institution for political gains. It should let the institution to do it's job. Current regime boasting everything which will damage our strategic national interest.  

[Uravakonda]

1 hour ago, Sr Fan said:

Uravakonda brother,  We have to consider few things in perspective. 

In Pak. not only army ruled directly, even when they let namesake civilian govts. be the frontal face they control the  govts. from behind; Also, Pak army runs some industries(bakeries, cereal, cement, Insurance etc and many) as side business purposes - Billions of dollars worth. Every Pak general big or small, keep assets in overseas, hard to believe one even has multiple Pizza franchise businesses in Canada.

MIC in US - controls and funds, politicians of all colors dance to their tunes, this thread highlights the perils of such influence on public policy and current gin up war frenzy mood, and also many in the past instances. Billions/Trillions on stake for control. Corruption all over. 

Indian Army - As an Institution strong in its domain but never interfered in civilian govts.; Since 1947, Army has been taking orders from civilian authority without any exception including war times.  They never had any commercial business outside their domain, and no management of politicians or lobbying unlike above cases.

Even Imran khan, like a broken clock is right in this fact; But his motive to highlight this obvious thing has something to do with his present sour relations with Pak. army. & changing in posture in an attempt to win public for his faint attempt to survive in power. 

When we assess we have to keep these things in mind., Indian Army deserves all those accolades for their professionalism. 

Pak army kante kante Indian army better ga undhi ani cheppu oppukunta. Mari corruption free ani, pagodu manalni oorike poguthunnadu ante, background lo matter vere undhi. Adhi identify chetamani chepthunna.

[Sr Fan]

13 minutes ago, Uravakonda said:

Pak army kante kante Indian army better ga undhi ani cheppu oppukunta. Mari corruption free ani, pagodu manalni oorike poguthunnadu ante, background lo matter vere undhi. Adhi identify chetamani chepthunna.

Dear brother, the reason & motivation for IK praising Indian army is explained in detail above, probably you might have missed those lines. 

If there is anything more than that I failed to mention, please do go ahead add with specifics.

[Sr Fan]

44 minutes ago, ravindras said:

One difference between India and Pakistan is building institution and preserving independence, sense of purpose of institutions. Pakistan failed in building and preserving institutions. 

Unfortunately our present regime using every institution for political gains. It should let the institution to do it's job. Current regime boasting everything which will damage our strategic national interest.  

India has a good enough political system, people will sort out, and give verdicts as we go through elections very frequently in some shape or manner. Nothing is going to be absolute in this world, Indian democracy with all its wrinkles, is vibrant relatively speaking, and has robust enough constitution & internal mechanisms to reign in any branch or institute.  

We also saw fine example of Indian democratic system which recently withstood heavy pressures from  US, UK and other Western countries to kowtow their position. Lets keep politics aside in these matters Brother, it will take care  of itself.

[Sr Fan]

(Since it is not Pak centric thread, want to keep it to a minimum.  For the sake of a brother- Word going around, that Imran Khan's departure time is around the corner. but if people want to get in to nuts and bolts about Pak politics, will give video link for decent enough Pakistan analyst's view.   Have summarized the situation in english in couple of lines in the earlier post, but anyway enjoy.)

 

[Sr Fan]

Pretty much all Networks, corporate & establishment media in totality are beating the war drums in West, hard to find contrary voices except a few. To get a pulse, a bit more sensible away from war frenzy, the current situation in west in summary in few minutes. Enjoy.

 

[Sr Fan]

(Another contrarian perspective to Establishment narrative in West.)

The Battle in Mariupol Is Intense and Filled With Western Propaganda – Russian Military Fighting Ukrainian Azov Battalions and Ultranationalists in Eastern Region 

The picture in Eastern Ukraine is becoming clearer as the residents begin being able to talk openly about the key battleground in Mariupol.

Keep in mind, the western narrative about the battles in Eastern Ukraine are all framed around calling the Ukrainian military, spearheaded by the Azov battalions and the ultranationalists, as the good guys.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  According to increasingly obvious reports, coming from ordinary citizens in/around Mariupol, the Ukrainian army has been using them as human shields and keeping them from evacuating.

 

The propaganda out of the Mariupol battlespace is extreme.

As the Ukrainian military (Azov etc) take up positions in schools and public buildings, any Russian attack against those troops is then called an attack against civilians.  There is zero evidence of that taking place; exactly the opposite is true.  The Ukraine forces in this region are using the citizens as shields and cannon fodder against the Russian forces.

For emphasis…. IN THIS REGION:

♦The anti-Russia stories are all from corporate media, none from citizens.  The anti-Ukraine army stories are all from citizens, none from corporate media.
♦The pro-Ukraine army stories are all from western media, none from citizens.  The pro-Russian army stories are all from citizens, none from western media. 

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(For entirety of above with videos from citizens of Mariupol, Eastern Ukraine)

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/03/20/the-battle-in-mariupol-is-intense-and-filled-with-western-propaganda-russian-military-fighting-ukrainian-azov-battalions-and-ultranationalists-in-eastern-region/

[Uravakonda]

2 hours ago, Sr Fan said:

Dear brother, the reason & motivation for IK praising Indian army is explained in detail above, probably you might have missed those lines. 

If there is anything more than that I failed to mention, please do go ahead add with specifics.

Anna, antha details chadhavaledhu 😄 

[Sr Fan]

1 hour ago, Uravakonda said:

Anna, antha details chadhavaledhu 😄 

ఊహించాను బ్రదర్ .👍...🙏

( మాటలు కోటలు దాటతాయ్... విషయమూ, వివేకం రెండూ తక్కువే, పవన్ కళ్యాణ్ లాగ ....ఇండియన్ సైన్యం గురించి నిజం చెప్పినా, అది పాకిస్తాన్ సైన్యం తనకు  మద్దతు ఇవ్వటం లేదన్న ఉక్రోషంతో, జనాన్ని తన వైపు తిప్పుకుందామనే విఫల యత్నం......ఇమ్రాన్ ఖాన్ ఆ పదవిలో ఉండి, పాకిస్తాన్ కంటే ఇండియా కి ఎక్కువ మేలు చేస్తున్నాడు అనే మాటలో నిజం లేకపోలేదు....ఇంకో పదేళ్లు పదవిలో  ఉంటే మంచిది మనకు...)

[Sr Fan]

“There’s going to be a 'new world order 'out there and we have to lead it,” Biden said disclosing information he received from a top military official in a “secure meeting.”

Joe Biden has cultivated a bit of folksy flavor to impress his senior colleagues in senate from south since his beginning in politics; Sometimes gets carried away and has a tendency to speak the ' Quiet Part' out loud.

(Why NATO is not obsolete even after Soviet fall, and also expanding like a voracious mammal?  You got your answer there bros.)

[Sr Fan]

 

“At night, Bruce L. Jackson is president of the U.S. Committee to Expand NATO, giving intimate dinners for Senators and foreign officials. By day, he is director of strategic planning for Lockheed Martin Corporation, the world's biggest weapons maker.”

Virtually every Cold War foreign policy don of both parties opposed NATO expansion, warning it would bring us to precisely this current crisis. But the defense contractors, facing post-Cold War military budget cuts, overruled them all.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1505222773341241346.html

[kurnool NTR]

21 hours ago, Sr Fan said:

ఊహించాను బ్రదర్ .👍...🙏

( మాటలు కోటలు దాటతాయ్... విషయమూ, వివేకం రెండూ తక్కువే, పవన్ కళ్యాణ్ లాగ ....ఇండియన్ సైన్యం గురించి నిజం చెప్పినా, అది పాకిస్తాన్ సైన్యం తనకు  మద్దతు ఇవ్వటం లేదన్న ఉక్రోషంతో, జనాన్ని తన వైపు తిప్పుకుందామనే విఫల యత్నం......ఇమ్రాన్ ఖాన్ ఆ పదవిలో ఉండి, పాకిస్తాన్ కంటే ఇండియా కి ఎక్కువ మేలు చేస్తున్నాడు అనే మాటలో నిజం లేకపోలేదు....ఇంకో పదేళ్లు పదవిలో  ఉంటే మంచిది మనకు...)

It’s like TRS feeling Jagan be in power the next term as well. 

[Sr Fan]

4 minutes ago, kurnool NTR said:

It’s like TRS feeling Jagan be in power the next term as well. 

Yes......The way things are currently rolling in Pak., IK may not keep his job, the exact reason he is flaming out and praising Indian Independent foreign policy....

 Indians may not get their wish......😉

[Sr Fan]

India ‘shaky’ on Ukraine war: Biden
Prashant Jha and Rezaul H Laskar letters@hindustantimes.com

Washington/New Delhi : In a rare expression of differences between the United States and India at the highest level, US President Joe Biden has said the world has mounted a “united front” across Europe and the Pacific, through NATO and the Quad, on the Russian aggression against Ukraine – with the “possible exception of India”.

“NATO has never been stronger or more united in its entire history than it is today, in large part because of Vladimir Putin...We presented a united front throughout NATO and in the Pacific,” he said. “The Quad is – with the possible exception of India being somewhat shaky on some of this. But Japan has been extremely strong, so has Australia, in terms of dealing with Putin’s aggression.”

Hours after Biden made the remarks, the US undersecretary for political affairs,** Victoria Nuland, who was in New Delhi for foreign office consultations with foreign secretary Harsh Shringla, said it was important for democracies to stand together at a time when “autocracies like Russia [and] China are showing what a level are showing what a level of threat they can be to peace and security”.

The US, Nuland told NDTV news channel, is particularly concerned “about Russia and China working together more intensively” with regard to the conflict in Ukraine. ** “Democracies now really need to stand together and evolve their position vis-a-vis Russia because of the choices Putin has made,” she added.   

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(******Note: As you remember bros,  In 2014 Victoria Nuland( Obama Official) is the same person who actively advocated in the toppling of Democratically elected Ukranian govt. headed by Viktor Yanukovych by coup.)

[kurnool NTR]

50 minutes ago, Sr Fan said:

India ‘shaky’ on Ukraine war: Biden
Prashant Jha and Rezaul H Laskar letters@hindustantimes.com

Washington/New Delhi : In a rare expression of differences between the United States and India at the highest level, US President Joe Biden has said the world has mounted a “united front” across Europe and the Pacific, through NATO and the Quad, on the Russian aggression against Ukraine – with the “possible exception of India”.

“NATO has never been stronger or more united in its entire history than it is today, in large part because of Vladimir Putin...We presented a united front throughout NATO and in the Pacific,” he said. “The Quad is – with the possible exception of India being somewhat shaky on some of this. But Japan has been extremely strong, so has Australia, in terms of dealing with Putin’s aggression.”

Hours after Biden made the remarks, the US undersecretary for political affairs,** Victoria Nuland, who was in New Delhi for foreign office consultations with foreign secretary Harsh Shringla, said it was important for democracies to stand together at a time when “autocracies like Russia [and] China are showing what a level are showing what a level of threat they can be to peace and security”.

The US, Nuland told NDTV news channel, is particularly concerned “about Russia and China working together more intensively” with regard to the conflict in Ukraine. ** “Democracies now really need to stand together and evolve their position vis-a-vis Russia because of the choices Putin has made,” she added.   

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(******Note: As you remember bros,  In 2014 Victoria Nuland( Obama Official) is the same person who actively advocated in the toppling of Democratically elected Ukranian govt. headed by Viktor Yanukovych by coup.)

This fellow’s higher administration got beaten by Saudi and UAE recently. They got shaken there. 

[Sr Fan]

1 hour ago, kurnool NTR said:

This fellow’s higher administration got beaten by Saudi and UAE recently. They got shaken there. 

• 'Japan PM urges Modi to take tougher line against Russian invasion'
• 'Ukraine: Australia PM Morrison urges India to take firmer Russia position'
• 'UK PM Boris Johnson speaks to Modi on Russia-Ukraine '
• Biden's 'shaky'  India  comments; Victoria Nuland, US undersecretary for political affairs, visit to Delhi, possibly thinking they can be able to arm twist Republic of  India.

No Q, they are putting full court press on India to kowtow to their position.  

Remember 'New World Order'  in earlier post - a sanitized word for Power and Domination / Hegemony.  

Biden is just a puppet brother - master is the ' Permanent Deep state'.

[krishna_Bidda]

5 minutes ago, Sr Fan said:

• 'Japan PM urges Modi to take tougher line against Russian invasion'
• 'Ukraine: Australia PM Morrison urges India to take firmer Russia position'
• 'UK PM Boris Johnson speaks to Modi on Russia-Ukraine '
• Biden's 'shaky'  India  comments; Victoria Nuland, US undersecretary for political affairs, visit to Delhi, possibly thinking they can be able to arm twist Republic of  India.

No Q, they are putting full court press on India to kowtow to their position.  

Remember 'New World Order'  in earlier post - a sanitized word for Power and Domination / Hegemony.  

Biden is just a puppet brother - master is the ' Permanent Deep state'.

Yup what you said is absolutely what I got on my own research.....trump is an exception that deep state couldn't even believe would emerge as a president......but from my observation other than trump all the presidents from Clinton to current Biden are just employees of deep state or people like bush an influential family with in the deep state.... unfortunately trump was not balanced enough to handle deep state like modi did in India....