Kondepati Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 @Nfdbno1 Sodara... have seen your commitment for TDP before ... and mee DP ni chusinappudalla meeru entha committed ga vunanro TDP ki ani anipisthundhi... ee madhya meeru kuda CBN ni baga vimarsisthunnaru... just want to understand your views... what do you think that have gone wrong in 2019 elections... please share it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 thanks... at least minion bro type lo either jr fans department or paytm batch or chillara gang loki thoseyyakunda naku oka thread vesi aduguthunnanduku.. evm manipulation pakkana pedithe (we were voted out by bcs, and kaps.. and as usual rejected by SCs). looking at pre election scenario, post election and up until today when people are meeting the leader, my opinion has been slightly changing accordingly.... cheppadaniki try chestha mundu ga loss ki reasons 1. kamma hatred 2. amaravathi anukunna... but I am sensing few reasons as time progressed ( above reasons might be very minor actually) .. flip flops on SCS (cbn tho flip-flops a very big pain as a party supporter... any party lo eppudo okappudu flip flops avuthayi.. kani cbn himself and his support base (ones responsible for rhetoric) ki justify cheskovadam asalu raadu) - "oka seema brother cheppadu" cong elagu centre lo radu ani janalaki telsu.. tdp elagu bjp tho 5 yrs fight cheyyali.. yeti ki eduru eedadam waste anukunnaru neutrals being in govt, we did not prove one case on opposition (tuni, red sandalwood, etc etc), no one want such weakness with a CM - people thought they will have to bear him on their shoulders, instead of them getting a helping hand from him - remember nothing came from tg including pending power bills also... simply put, all the above reasons are linked not to problems in development or welfare.. but _____ of the leader. this is haunting! party lu vodipothayi, gelusthayi kani.. CBN eppudu vodipoyina ghora parajayalu eduru avuthunnayi... moham pagilinattu untadi experience! entha development, welfare , emi chesina, chee po antaru janalu (2004, 2019), people feel their feelings are ignored.. their voice is unheard - (amaravathi capital chese vishyam lo assembly lo voting ki velli undachu, Spl package accept chese appudu..) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kondepati Posted July 5, 2019 Author Share Posted July 5, 2019 Agree with most of your thoughts... But janalu Jagan ni anthala nammara ? vadu chesevi kuda flip flops ye kada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eswar09 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Kondepati said: Agree with most of your thoughts... But janalu Jagan ni anthala nammara ? vadu chesevi kuda flip flops ye kada Edhyina exp aythene kadha telusthundhi.. Jagan anna mata tappadu.. Madama tippadu ani vesaru.. Eppudu face chesthunnaru.. Okati clear present days.. Manchi panulu chesthunna.. Avi cheyyadaniki entha kastapaduthunnadhi.. Dani valla use enti... Anndhi clear ga explain or janala loki sariga thisukoni kokapothe result last elections.. Cbn utter flop e senario lo.... Oka lie 100 nijam cheppithe true avuthundhi ane sametha cbn last period best example.. Kamma caste feeling, mla lu avineethi.. Spl status kosam sariga fight cheyyaledhu.. Amavarathi and polavaram em jaragatam ledhu antha Graphics... Lokesh pappu.. Etc etc.. Yrscp vallu throuh SM, sakshi paper and tv.. Jagana and valla leaders cheppi cheppi janaloki posion laga ekkincharu.. Entja jaruguthunna cbn and tdp leaders kanisam opposite cheyyadaniki try cheyyala edho thu thu mantraga respond ayyary.. Elanti matter manalanti supporters tappu kuda undhi.. Andharam cbn full schemes peduthunnadu mandhi aadhikaram ani slient ga unnaru.. Apptike ap parajalo jagan aavahinchadu ani evaru guess cheyyala.. Dani result 150 seats.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eswar09 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Are ekkodo okadu Ticktalk lo kcr meda vedio pedithe arrest chesaru.. Nenna mana DJP kuda jagan meda post lu meda arrest chestham annadu.. Last 5 yrs lo cbn and lokesh photos ni marph chesi istam vachinatlu vijaysai gadu nunchi comman yrscp supporters vadukoni.. Bye bye babu hordings pedithe kanisam veelu kuda chupincha lekapoyadu.. Prajaswayam.. Parajele buddi chebutharu.. Gandhi tatha matalu cheppitje evadu lekka chestharu ee roju loo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koushik_k Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 I disagree with this kamma hatred factor.. CBN over defensiveness valla opposition caste meda ekkuva stress chesindi danini sarga defend cheskoleka edo cbn kammas ki dochipettaru ani talk vellindi.. in a way caste ke nastam jarigindi cbn defensive nature valla.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koushik_k Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 KCR rameswara rao ki dochi pettadu.. velama factor enduk raledu... ysr/jagan ki kuda ivanni enduk ravu.. because they are not defensive.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minion Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 15 hours ago, Nfdbno1 said: at least minion bro type lo either jr fans department or paytm batch or chillara gang loki thoseyyakunda naku oka thread vesi aduguthunnanduku.. nuvvendi saami nannu thagulkunnav ... vannevanno ante, why are you taking it personally? It was not a reply to your post ... I didn't even think about you when I posted that. Seriously, why are you taking it as a dig on you? I never meant it that way. I know you are a TDP supporter ... I could see the pain in your posts after the results. Take it easy, will you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minion Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 11 hours ago, Eswar09 said: Are ekkodo okadu Ticktalk lo kcr meda vedio pedithe arrest chesaru.. Nenna mana DJP kuda jagan meda post lu meda arrest chestham annadu.. Last 5 yrs lo cbn and lokesh photos ni marph chesi istam vachinatlu vijaysai gadu nunchi comman yrscp supporters vadukoni.. Bye bye babu hordings pedithe kanisam veelu kuda chupincha lekapoyadu.. Prajaswayam.. Parajele buddi chebutharu.. Gandhi tatha matalu cheppitje evadu lekka chestharu ee roju loo This is my biggest regret ... CBN miserably failed in this. CBN ippudu anni gurthu pettukuntadanta ... power poyinaka gurthu pettukoni emi upayogam saar ... chethulu kalaka aakulu pattukotam ante idhe mari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minion Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 11 hours ago, Eswar09 said: Andharam cbn full schemes peduthunnadu mandhi aadhikaram ani slient ga unnaru.. Apptike ap parajalo jagan aavahinchadu ani evaru guess cheyyala.. Dani result 150 seats.. Its not entirely CBNs fault or TDP fault. AP prajalu vignatha kolpoyaru ... yeah I know, sour grapes. Like I said before ... CBN appealed to the good side of people ... they showed a different side ... its not entirely CBN/TDPs fault. naaku surprising endante ... CBN lanti seasoned politician ilantidi ela expect cheyyalekapoyadu ani. He has seen it all ... yet, he failed to see this coming ... unfortunate. Intha blatant miscalculation emito ... kharma raa baabu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sskmaestro Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 3 hours ago, minion said: Its not entirely CBNs fault or TDP fault. AP prajalu vignatha kolpoyaru ... yeah I know, sour grapes. Like I said before ... CBN appealed to the good side of people ... they showed a different side ... its not entirely CBN/TDPs fault. naaku surprising endante ... CBN lanti seasoned politician ilantidi ela expect cheyyalekapoyadu ani. He has seen it all ... yet, he failed to see this coming ... unfortunate. Intha blatant miscalculation emito ... kharma raa baabu 40% have some conscience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NatuGadu Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 2014 credit CBN dhi ayyinappudu.. 2019 lo votami .. CBN ee responsibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eswar09 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 5 hours ago, minion said: Its not entirely CBNs fault or TDP fault. AP prajalu vignatha kolpoyaru ... yeah I know, sour grapes. Like I said before ... CBN appealed to the good side of people ... they showed a different side ... its not entirely CBN/TDPs fault. naaku surprising endante ... CBN lanti seasoned politician ilantidi ela expect cheyyalekapoyadu ani. He has seen it all ... yet, he failed to see this coming ... unfortunate. Intha blatant miscalculation emito ... kharma raa baabu Nenu adhe andhi brother.. cbn to mana lanti supporters daka problem undhi.. Kani as a leader ayindhi maj role.. Ayina kada party nadipinchdhi.. Ayina iche direction batte kada cadre, leaders and supporters naduchukontaru... Ee matter lo CBN utterflop ayyadu. Naku eppatiki CBN chusthe aachyaram ga undhi... Patha CBN ee na ee CBN ani..antha change undhi ayina lo. May be age factor. Or pakkana valla matalu ekkuva vinatama reason don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minion Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 1 hour ago, NatuGadu said: 2014 credit CBN dhi ayyinappudu.. 2019 lo votami .. CBN ee responsibility Absolutely. There is no question about it. But, keep in mind though ... CBN is not dodging that responsibility. He never blamed anyone for this loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minion Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 5 minutes ago, Eswar09 said: Nenu adhe andhi brother.. cbn to mana lanti supporters daka problem undhi.. Kani as a leader ayindhi maj role.. Ayina kada party nadipinchdhi.. Ayina iche direction batte kada cadre, leaders and supporters naduchukontaru... Ee matter lo CBN utterflop ayyadu. Naku eppatiki CBN chusthe aachyaram ga undhi... Patha CBN ee na ee CBN ani..antha change undhi ayina lo. May be age factor. Or pakkana valla matalu ekkuva vinatama reason don't know. I completely agree. this loss is entirely on CBN. And he's not trying to put it on anyone else. I respect that. But, keep in mind though ... 50% of people voted this way doesn't mean he was wrong. People have their own reasons. Its CBN/party's responsibility to evolve based on the ground situation ... and CBN (and collectively, we) failed. People are not looking forward ... they don't care about long term ... or future of their children ... they're happy with the status quo. we should have realized this and adjusted to that thought process. But, we didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhaniTDPFan Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 The biggest factor of this defeat is perception building. It all starts with a good team of spokespersons, background team, strong leaders projected by the party. Manaki chesinavi chala unna, sarigga communicate chese vallu okkallu leru. News follow ayye neutrals aite prathi debate lo ycp valla point e correct anukuntaru. Ika social media cheppakkarledhu. Entha visha pracharam janalloki vellindante ground level lo it was palpable. Another big factor was the disconnect with youth. Youth were able to relate to Jagan and Pawan. Lokesh was supposed to bridge that gap but unfortunately he was found wanting. Youth lo aite entha negativity create ayindho TDP meedha. To me this is even more daunting. We have to win this section back. I was very disappointed the likes of payyavula, Dhulipalla who I consider as best orators in TDP didn't step up to help the party. May be the party chose others but 2014-19 panel of spokespersons gurinchi entha takkuva chepthe antha manchidhi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 20 hours ago, Kondepati said: Agree with most of your thoughts... But janalu Jagan ni anthala nammara ? vadu chesevi kuda flip flops ye kada vadini nammindi as usual sgments only... may be manam nammukunna bcs mana valla kadu anukunnaru.. bjp tho fight cheyyadam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minion Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 56 minutes ago, PhaniTDPFan said: The biggest factor of this defeat is perception building. It all starts with a good team of spokespersons, background team, strong leaders projected by the party. Manaki chesinavi chala unna, sarigga communicate chese vallu okkallu leru. News follow ayye neutrals aite prathi debate lo ycp valla point e correct anukuntaru. Ika social media cheppakkarledhu. Entha visha pracharam janalloki vellindante ground level lo it was palpable. Another big factor was the disconnect with youth. Youth were able to relate to Jagan and Pawan. Lokesh was supposed to bridge that gap but unfortunately he was found wanting. Youth lo aite entha negativity create ayindho TDP meedha. To me this is even more daunting. We have to win this section back. I was very disappointed the likes of payyavula, Dhulipalla who I consider as best orators in TDP didn't step up to help the party. May be the party chose others but 2014-19 panel of spokespersons gurinchi entha takkuva chepthe antha manchidhi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prasadr Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 I will give you example about one example about perception that ysrcp keeps repeating it is about AP state govt debt. They keep saying idebt increased from 90000 cr to 250000 crIn realty cbn inherited 150000 cr from previous govt. this number is there in RBI state finances website. It is pathetic that TDP did not counter it and now every one in the state believes it. Like this they built perception that cbn is fiscally irresponsible. They took help of undavalli and lot of other to build this perception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 20 hours ago, minion said: nuvvendi saami nannu thagulkunnav ... vannevanno ante, why are you taking it personally? It was not a reply to your post ... I didn't even think about you when I posted that. Seriously, why are you taking it as a dig on you? I never meant it that way. I know you are a TDP supporter ... I could see the pain in your posts after the results. Take it easy, will you? whenever it comes to cbn, you dont like a rational discourse... i know what to expect from you.. i am not worried about your comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Prasadr said: I will give you example about one example about perception that ysrcp keeps repeating it is about AP state govt debt. They keep saying idebt increased from 90000 cr to 250000 crIn realty cbn inherited 150000 cr from previous govt. this number is there in RBI state finances website. It is pathetic that TDP did not counter it and now every one in the state believes it. Like this they built perception that cbn is fiscally irresponsible. They took help of undavalli and lot of other to build this perception. not true! this perception only with select hatred groups Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minion Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 24 minutes ago, Nfdbno1 said: whenever it comes to cbn, you dont like a rational discourse... there is some truth to this ... I'm not going to deny it ... I like CBN ... what he did for TDP over the decades ... but then again ... if you look at some of the posts here on cbn ... they're just mean ... those people are not like you and me .. with reasonable minds ... they have their own agenda ... My intent was to target them ... not you, brother. I'm not going to explain further ... I hope you understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uppalapati123 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 On 7/5/2019 at 12:21 PM, Kondepati said: Agree with most of your thoughts... But janalu Jagan ni anthala nammara ? vadu chesevi kuda flip flops ye kada TDP's vote bank is always different from Congress/YSRCP.TDP's supporters are mostly rational. They will change their views if the leader does not deliver to the expectations Ex:CBN questioned party defections and Talasani's ministry in TRS govt, cut cheste YSRCP mla's were in TDP govt. complete u turn on Special status, reasons could be different but in my view this is one of the main reasons for debacle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nfdbno1 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 20 hours ago, uppalapati123 said: TDP's vote bank is always different from Congress/YSRCP.TDP's supporters are mostly rational. They will change their views if the leader does not deliver to the expectations Ex:CBN questioned party defections and Talasani's ministry in TRS govt, cut cheste YSRCP mla's were in TDP govt. complete u turn on Special status, reasons could be different but in my view this is one of the main reasons for debacle above issues are not a serious concern for tdp supporters, only for opponents.. only spl package flip-flops are a big comedy, the way I understood it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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