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krish2015 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 23 minutes ago, Taraka Mantram said: bro many ppl here dnt even know reliance acquired pipava def.... just dont strain on these lines of explaining things to blind folded ppl over and again to the AJ followers Many people here dnt even know, blind folded people ilanti comments chese mundhu manaki entha telusooo kuda aalochinchukovali Name lo diffence ane word unnantha mathrana pipava diffence ki aircraft building lo exp unnatlu kadu Pipava diffence never built even a single aircraft naku mathrameee telusu ani feel ayyindi chalu inka sardhukondi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonykongara Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Internal Dassault Document Says Reliance JV was a 'Trade-off' for Bagging Rafale Deal: French Report According to a report published in Mediapart, Dassault's partnership with Anil Ambani's Reliance was "mandatory" and "imperative" to securing the Rafale sales contract. Credit: Reuters/Charles Platiau The Wire Staff 5.5K interactions Government 10/Oct/2018 New Delhi: Dassault Aviation agreed to enter into a joint venture with Anil Ambani’s Reliance Defence as it was presented as “mandatory” and a “trade-off” if the defence major were to bag the 36 Rafale jet deal, according to a new report published in French investigative website Mediapart. According to the Mediapart story, which cites an internal Dassault document, the agreement with Reliance was presented as a “trade-off” to obtain the Rafale sales contract. This revelation, if true, will likely further weaken the Narendra Modi government’s claims that it had nothing to do with the selection of Reliance Defence as an offset partner for the Rafale deal. Mediapart quotes a presentation made by Dassault’s deputy chief executive officer Loik Segalen to the company’s staff representatives in Nagpur in May 2017 where he describes the Reliance partnership as “imperative and mandatory” to get the Rafale export contract to India. The two key paragraphs from the Mediapart story are reproduced below, both in French and translated English. “C’était une vraie fausse inauguration. Une « première pierre » symbolique posée sur du gazon prédécoupé, sous un chapiteau de circonstance, à Nagpur (centre de l’Inde), mais qui annonçait le début de la construction de la « future usine » Dassault-Reliance. Selon un document interne à Dassault obtenu par Mediapart, un haut cadre du groupe d’aviation avait expliqué aux représentants du personnel que la joint-venture était une « contrepartie », « impérative et obligatoire » pour décrocher le marché du Rafale.” “It was truly a false inauguration. A symbolic ‘first stone’ was placed on pre-cut turf, under a [tent/capital] of circumstance, in Nagpur (central India), but it announced the beginning of construction of the ‘future factory’ of Dassault-Reliance. According to an internal Dassault document obtained by Mediapart, a senior executive of the aviation group had explained to the staff representatives that the joint venture was a “trade-off” , “imperative and mandatory” to [obtain/take off] the market for Rafale.” [Emphasis added by The Wire]. The second paragraph, shown below, quotes the presentation made by Segalen. Chez Dassault Aviation, selon un document obtenu par Mediapart, l’alliance avec Ambani a effectivement été présentée comme une « contrepartie » du contrat de vente des Rafale. Le directeur général délégué de Dassault Aviation, Loïk Segalen, l’a dit clairement le 11 mai 2017 lors d’une présentation de la joint-venture « Dassault Reliance Aerospace » de Nagpur aux élus du personnel : « Il était impératif et obligatoire pour Dassault Aviation, d’accepter cette contrepartie, afin d’obtenir le contrat export Rafale Inde », a déclaré le no 2 du groupe, selon un compte-rendu établi par les élus du person At Dassault Aviation, according to a document obtained by Mediapart, the alliance with Ambani was indeed presented as a ‘trade-off’ for the Rafale contract of sales. Dassault Aviation’s deputy chief executive officer Loïk Segalen said this clearly on May 11, 2017 during a presentation of the joint venture ‘Dassault Reliance Aerospace’ to staff representatives: “It is imperative and obligatory for Dassault Aviation to accept this [trade-off/counterpart] to obtain the export contract (for?) Rafale India,” declared the number 2 of the group, according to a report prepared by staff personnel. Over the last six months, the Rafale deal has been a source of political controversy, with opposition parties and civil society stakeholders levying allegations of crony capitalism against the Modi government. These accusations were given greater teeth in the last week of September 2018 when former French president Francois Hollande told Mediapart that India had proposed Reliance’s name as part of the new negotiations surrounding the down-sized Rafale deal. Hollande’s remarks came as a surprise as it directly contradicted claims made by the Modi government. After the first Mediapart report, the Indian defence ministry reiterated its stance that it had nothing to do with the selection of Reliance as an offset partner. Freely chose Reliance says Dassault Dassault Aviation on Thursday reiterated that its partnership with Anil Ambani’s Reliance Defence as an an offset partner with the Rafale jet deal was born out of free choice. “In order to deliver some of these offsets, Dassault Aviation has decided to create a joint-venture. Dassault Aviation has freely chosen to make a partnership with India’s Reliance Group. This joint-venture, Dassault Reliance Aerospace Ltd (DRAL), was created February 10, 2017,” the Dassault press release stated. In response to Segalen’s presentation to company staff, in its press release, Dassault notes that “in compliance with French regulations”, the company executive informed the Central Works Council of the creation of the Dassault-Reliance JV “in order to fulfil some of the offsets commitments”. “In compliance with French regulations, Chief Operating Officer Loïk Segalen informed, May 11, 2017, the Central Works Council of the creation of the DRAL joint-venture in order to fulfil some of the offsets commitment,” the company said. While Dassault has not clarified what its executive meant by a “trade off”, a defence industry observer, who declined to be identified, told The Wire that Dassault would likely argue that Segalen’s presentation was meant to convey was that offsets in general were “mandatory” or a “trade-off” for the Rafale deal and not the Reliance partnership in specific. French journalist Julien Bouissou, the South Asia correspondent for Le Monde, has said on Twitter that the Mediapart report does not, in fact, contain any new information. “In May 2017, Dassault Informed French trade unions about the construction of a plant in Nagpur, and explained to them why that plant could not be built in France. (because of the offset),” he said. “Please note that in France, the top management of a company has to inform the Central Works Councils (trade unions) about their strategy/important decisions. And in that case, the important decision conveyed to the Central Work Council, was the construction of a plant in India that will not create jobs for French workers. It’s about French labour laws, not so much about Anil Ambani.” The Wire has written to both Reliance and India’s defence ministry asking for their comments on the matter and this story will be updated if and when a response is received. Note: This story was updated at 9:40 AM on Thursday to add Dassault’s response and statement. Note: This story was updated at 11:30 AM on Thursday to add Julien Bouissou’s perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollu Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/cover-story/story/20181008-the-ambani-connection-1349998-2018-09-28 Anil announced his entry into the defence business in March 2015 with the buyout of the debt-ridden Pipavav Shipyard in Gujarat. By April of the same year, he had already registered 14 different companies for building land systems, warships and aircraft. Former defence minister Manohar Parrikar, who was himself an entrepreneur once, supplying components to the defence ministry, also privately expressed his surprise at the dizzying spread of the younger Ambani's business and wondered if the industrialist was spreading himself too thin. https://www.newsclick.in/building-crony-capitalism-and-calling-it-new-defence-policy Reliance Defence Systems is a different company from Reliance Defence Limited, the entity involved in the Rafale deal. It acquired Pipavav Shipyard in 2016, which itself was staggering under a debt of Rs 6,000 crore, and unable to pay its contractors. Pipavav Shipyard has now been renamed as Reliance Naval (RNaval), and involved in the Rs 20,000-crore LDP and Rs 80,000-crore submarine orders. By itself, RNaval stands no chance of competing with either Mazagon Dock or Hindustan Shipyard. pippav ne pedda diwala koru company, inko diwalu etthunna company aina reliance chetha konipinchi vadiki contract malla.. enthina gujarath pm kada valla companies loss lo unte asalu tattukoledu.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravikia Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 26 minutes ago, krish2015 said: Many people here dnt even know, blind folded people ilanti comments chese mundhu manaki entha telusooo kuda aalochinchukovali Name lo diffence ane word unnantha mathrana pipava diffence ki aircraft building lo exp unnatlu kadu Pipava diffence never built even a single aircraft naku mathrameee telusu ani feel ayyindi chalu inka sardhukondi Correct ga cheppav bro. Baffas tho ide problem. Aavu stroy laaga akkadakkade tirugutharu. Including prof. Nageshwar antha vedavale baffas drusti lo. Dassault tho dealing mundhu oka bokka lo company koni, daanni defence lo vunnattu chuyinchi project kottedhamani vaadu plan chesthe, ee Modi garemo papam amayakudu velli offset lo emunte nakenti ani deal chesaru, India kosam papam. Nammutham nammutham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taraka Mantram Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 58 minutes ago, krish2015 said: Many people here dnt even know, blind folded people ilanti comments chese mundhu manaki entha telusooo kuda aalochinchukovali Name lo diffence ane word unnantha mathrana pipava diffence ki aircraft building lo exp unnatlu kadu Pipava diffence never built even a single aircraft naku mathrameee telusu ani feel ayyindi chalu inka sardhukondi nothing on u man.. just sympathetic to kiran bro struggles . defense is a different ball game.. its not a IT exp to look into a thing if they worked on it or not.. its more of capability and trust of the companies that taking such initiatives..whole reason for MII is to get to that stage... as we dont have lockheed to stepup and build right away... cant rely on HAL now with our airforce in dire situation.. and i am not surprised it going to Reliance or Tata infra such things going into their hand is not a surprise and lobbying is not a thing we shud worry abt and spend time now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiran Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Why MMS gave approval for Dassault partnering with RIL ante cheppala ippati varaku, what experience RIL had at that time? Pls educate us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollu Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 55 minutes ago, Kiran said: Why MMS gave approval for Dassault partnering with RIL ante cheppala ippati varaku, what experience RIL had at that time? Pls educate us. medhavi ayyi undi e question enti.. According to a statement by the French company: 'Dassault Aviation, a major player in the global aerospace industry, has entered into an MoU with Reliance Industries Ltd, India's largest private sector company, for pursuing strategic opportunities of collaboration in the area of complex manufacturing and support in India.' Both Reliance and Dassault will have to inform the ministry of defence about the tie-up, since such ventures have to be cleared by the government before they get into actual on-ground partnership. http://www.rediff.com/news/report/reliance-enters-defence-manufacture-with-rafale-maker/20120213.htm ----------- MMS eppudu permission ichado selava ivvandi sir. dasault, reliance just made an alliance anthe indian govt hasn't given any permission. search chesina dorakaledu mms eppudu ichado ani. more over mou elapse aipoyindi and he backed from the deal. inka cheppandi mee cover drives....more over anil ambani laga cinema sponsorshiplu chesayatam, pm venta vellatam, one wweek mundala lantivi kooda cheyaledu. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/rils-arm-couldve-been-partner-in-earlier-rafale-offsets-deal/articleshow/65791781.cms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravikia Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 43 minutes ago, Bollu said: medhavi ayyi undi e question enti.. According to a statement by the French company: 'Dassault Aviation, a major player in the global aerospace industry, has entered into an MoU with Reliance Industries Ltd, India's largest private sector company, for pursuing strategic opportunities of collaboration in the area of complex manufacturing and support in India.' Both Reliance and Dassault will have to inform the ministry of defence about the tie-up, since such ventures have to be cleared by the government before they get into actual on-ground partnership. http://www.rediff.com/news/report/reliance-enters-defence-manufacture-with-rafale-maker/20120213.htm ----------- MMS eppudu permission ichado selava ivvandi sir. dasault, reliance just made an alliance anthe indian govt hasn't given any permission. search chesina dorakaledu mms eppudu ichado ani. more over mou elapse aipoyindi and he backed from the deal. inka cheppandi mee cover drives....more over anil ambani laga cinema sponsorshiplu chesayatam, pm venta vellatam, one wweek mundala lantivi kooda cheyaledu. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/rils-arm-couldve-been-partner-in-earlier-rafale-offsets-deal/articleshow/65791781.cms The buck stops with Modi. He gave permission for a deal where a major company being offset and had no prior exp of dealing with air crafts. He could have stopped it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravikia Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 JJust read Dassault CEO statement and Nirmala Seetharaman's as well. Same tune. Indian defence procurement have mandatory offset clause, which means 100% offset companies must be Indian. So at the time of signing Modiji Pushed Anil's group as pressured by French ex-president Hollande. It looks very evident there were no other offset companies mentioned in the contract at that time, except Reliance. Later they may have started offset contracts with other small companies. But reliance was the only one that was the offset at that time. As I said it all stops with Modiji for signing this and favouring massively Reliance. The contract could have signed with HAL as offset ( That was the initial plan just 4 days before they changed it to Reliance), but it was changed to favour Ambanis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiran Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, Bollu said: medhavi ayyi undi e question enti.. According to a statement by the French company: 'Dassault Aviation, a major player in the global aerospace industry, has entered into an MoU with Reliance Industries Ltd, India's largest private sector company, for pursuing strategic opportunities of collaboration in the area of complex manufacturing and support in India.' Both Reliance and Dassault will have to inform the ministry of defence about the tie-up, since such ventures have to be cleared by the government before they get into actual on-ground partnership. http://www.rediff.com/news/report/reliance-enters-defence-manufacture-with-rafale-maker/20120213.htm ----------- MMS eppudu permission ichado selava ivvandi sir. dasault, reliance just made an alliance anthe indian govt hasn't given any permission. search chesina dorakaledu mms eppudu ichado ani. more over mou elapse aipoyindi and he backed from the deal. inka cheppandi mee cover drives....more over anil ambani laga cinema sponsorshiplu chesayatam, pm venta vellatam, one wweek mundala lantivi kooda cheyaledu. https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/rils-arm-couldve-been-partner-in-earlier-rafale-offsets-deal/articleshow/65791781.cms France's Dassault Aviation and Reliance Industries are planning to set up a facility to produce wings of Rafale combat aircraft selected by IAF for meeting its requirement of 126 fighter planes. The two firms are planning to set up a Rs. 1,000-crore facility for producing the wings of the Rafale combat aircraft and it is most likely to come up in Bangalore, industry sources told PTI here. Under the plan, Dassault Aviation would help Reliance to establish the factory similar to its production facilities in France where the aircraft is produced, they said.The Defence Ministry and other agencies concerned have given a go ahead to the two companies for creating the unit, they said. India had selected Dassault Aviation's Rafale plane last year after a five-year-long process in which five other companies had participated. https://www.ndtv.com/business/reliance-dassault-planning-facility-to-produce-warplane-wings-report-374518 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiran Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 57 minutes ago, ravikia said: JJust read Dassault CEO statement and Nirmala Seetharaman's as well. Same tune. Indian defence procurement have mandatory offset clause, which means 100% offset companies must be Indian. So at the time of signing Modiji Pushed Anil's group as pressured by French ex-president Hollande. It looks very evident there were no other offset companies mentioned in the contract at that time, except Reliance. Later they may have started offset contracts with other small companies. But reliance was the only one that was the offset at that time. As I said it all stops with Modiji for signing this and favouring massively Reliance. The contract could have signed with HAL as offset ( That was the initial plan just 4 days before they changed it to Reliance), but it was changed to favour Ambanis. Nuvvu kuda same tune ga. Offset partners are not mentioned in govt 2 govt contract Since there is no manufacturing in India, HAL is not directly involved but SHAe joint venture with HAL is involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rk09 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 హోం జాతీయం స్వేచ్ఛగానే రిలయన్స్ ఎంపిక12-10-2018 03:11:20 తప్పనిసరై కాదు.. ఒత్తిళ్లూ లేవు: దసో న్యూఢిల్లీ, అక్టోబరు 11: అనిల్ అంబానీ సారథ్యంలోని రిలయన్స్ డిఫెన్స్ లిమిటెడ్ (ఆర్డీఎల్) ను తాము స్వేచ్ఛగానే ఆఫ్సెట్ భాగస్వామిగా ఎంపిక చేసుకున్నామని, ఇందులో ఎవరి ఒత్తిళ్లూ లేవని రాఫెల్ యుద్ధవిమానాల తయారీ సంస్థ దసో ఏవియేషన్ గురువారం నాడు వివరణ ఇచ్చింది. ‘‘2016 సెప్టెంబరులో భారత్-ఫ్రాన్స్ మధ్య కుదిరిన ఒప్పందం ప్రకారం 36 రాఫెల్ యుద్ధ విమానాలను భారత్కు దసో విక్రయించింది. భారత నిబంధనల ప్రకారం కాంట్రాక్ట్ విలువలో సగం భారతీయ కంపెనీలకు ఆఫ్సెట్గా పెట్టాలి. దీంతో దసో ఓ జాయింట్ వెంచర్ ఏర్పాటు చేసుకుని, స్వేచ్ఛగా రిలయన్స్ డిఫెన్స్ లిమిటెడ్ను ఓ భాగస్వామిగా తీసుకుంది’’ అని ఆ కంపెనీ ఒక ప్రకటనలో పేర్కొంది. రిలయన్స్ ఆఫ్ సెట్ కూడా కేవలం పదిశాతమేనని చెప్పింది. ‘‘భారత రక్షణ ఉత్పత్తుల విధివిధానాల ప్రకారం ఆఫ్సెట్ కాంట్రాక్ట్పై సంతకం చేయడం తప్పనిసరి. మరో 100 భారతీయ కంపెనీలతోనూ మేం సంప్రదింపులు సాగిస్తున్నాం. ఇందులో 30 కంపెనీలతో చర్చలు కొలిక్కి వచ్చాయి’’ అని దసో సీఈఓ ఎరిక్ ట్రేపియర్ తెలిపారు. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rk09 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 క్వింట్ అధిపతిపై ఐటీ దాడులు12-10-2018 03:04:04 రాఘవ్ బహ్ల్ ఇల్లు, కార్యాలయాల్లో సోదాలు భార్య సెల్ఫోన్ లాక్కున్న అధికారులు రాఫెల్ వార్తలు నిజమేనని ఇక నమ్మొచ్చు క్వింట్ ఎగ్జిక్యూటివ్ డైరెక్టర్ ఇంట్లో కూడా మీడియాను భయపెట్టేందుకే: ఎడిటర్స్ గిల్డ్ న్యూఢిల్లీ, అక్టోబరు 11: మీడియా టైకూన్, క్వింట్ న్యూస్ పోర్టల్, నెట్వర్క్18 వ్యవస్థాపకుడు రాఘవ్ బహ్ల్ నివాసం, కార్యాలయంలో ఆదాయ పన్ను విభాగం సోదాలు నిర్వహించింది. పన్ను ఎగవేత ఆరోపణల పేరుతో గురువారం ఉదయం నోయిడాలోని ఆయన ఇల్లు, కార్యాలయంలో సోదాలు జరిపి పలు పత్రాలను స్వాధీనం చేసుకున్నట్లు సమాచారం. క్వింట్ న్యూస్లో మోదీ ప్రభుత్వానికి వ్యతిరేకంగా పలు కథనాలు వస్తున్న నేపథ్యంలోనే ఐటీ దాడులు జరగడం చర్చనీయాంశమవుతోంది. ప్రత్యేకించి.. రాఫెల్ యుద్ధ విమానాల కొనుగోళ్ల వ్యవహారంలో మోదీ సర్కారును తప్పుబడుతూ క్వింట్ న్యూస్లో పలు కథనాలు వచ్చాయి.సోదాలు జరిగినప్పుడు రాఘవ్ ఇంట్లో లేరు. ముంబై నుంచి ఢిల్లీ వస్తున్నారు. సోదాల గురించి తెలిసిన వెంటనే ఆయన ఎడిటర్ గిల్డ్కు సమాచారమిచ్చారు. ఇంట్లోకి ప్రవేశించిన అధికారులు.. తన తల్లి, భార్యను ఎవరితోనూ మాట్లాడకుండా నిరోధించారని ఆయన ఒక ప్రకటనలో తెలిపారు. క్వింట్ ఎగ్జిక్యూటివ్ డైరెక్టర్ రీతూ కపూర్ ఇంటిపైనా ఐటీ దాడులు జరిగాయి. ఈ సోదాలను ఎడిటర్ గిల్డ్ ఖండించింది. ఐటీ విభాగం తమ అధికారాలకు లోబడి పనిచేయాలే తప్ప ప్రభుత్వ విమర్శకులను భయపెట్టేలా వ్యవహరించకూడదని వ్యాఖ్యానించింది. ఈ దాడులు పత్రికా స్వేచ్ఛపై కొరడా ఝుళిపించడమేనని ఇండియన్ ఆమ్నెస్టీ వ్యాఖ్యానించింది. కేంద్రంపై వాస్తవాలు రాస్తున్నందుకే బహుమతిగా క్వింట్పై దాడులు నిర్వహించారని కేంద్ర మాజీ మంత్రి అరుణ్ శౌరీ దుయ్యబట్టారు. కేంద్ర మాజీ మంత్రి యశ్వంత్ సిన్హా కూడా క్వింట్పై దాడులను ఖండించారు. ప్రభుత్వాన్ని విమర్శించేందుకు ఏమాత్రం జంకని అతికొద్ది మీడియా ప్రముఖుల్లో రాఘవ్ ఒకరన్నారు. మీడియా గొంతునొక్కేందుకే ఈ ఐటీ దాడులు జరుగుతున్నాయా? అనే ప్రశ్నకు కేంద్రమంత్రి రవిశంకర్ ప్రసాద్ నర్మగర్భ వ్యాఖ్యలు చేశారు. ‘‘పత్రిక స్వేచ్ఛ, ప్రజాస్వామ్యంపై తమకు విశ్వాసం ఉందని.. అయితే, ఏ మీడియా సంస్థపైనైనా అవినీతి ఆరోపణలు వస్తే.. అందుకు వారు సమాధానం చెపాల్సిందే’’ అని పేర్కొన్నారు. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravikia Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 7 hours ago, Kiran said: Nuvvu kuda same tune ga. Offset partners are not mentioned in govt 2 govt contract Since there is no manufacturing in India, HAL is not directly involved but SHAe joint venture with HAL is involved. Offfoo. Reliance was the only partner mentioned at the time of signing,which is a clear indication it was forced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollu Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 15 hours ago, Kiran said: France's Dassault Aviation and Reliance Industries are planning to set up a facility to produce wings of Rafale combat aircraft selected by IAF for meeting its requirement of 126 fighter planes. The two firms are planning to set up a Rs. 1,000-crore facility for producing the wings of the Rafale combat aircraft and it is most likely to come up in Bangalore, industry sources told PTI here. Under the plan, Dassault Aviation would help Reliance to establish the factory similar to its production facilities in France where the aircraft is produced, they said.The Defence Ministry and other agencies concerned have given a go ahead to the two companies for creating the unit, they said. India had selected Dassault Aviation's Rafale plane last year after a five-year-long process in which five other companies had participated. https://www.ndtv.com/business/reliance-dassault-planning-facility-to-produce-warplane-wings-report-374518 indulo clear ga chepparu gada mastaru nuvvu ichhina link lone. Dassault wanted Reliance to be the main partner in production of the aircraft in India but the government made it clear that it was not possible as the tender for the procurement clearly stated that aerospace PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) would be the lead integrator for the project. The differences over the issue have been resolved and Dassault and HAL have started readying their teams for implementing the project after it is signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravikia Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Bollu said: indulo clear ga chepparu gada mastaru nuvvu ichhina link lone. Dassault wanted Reliance to be the main partner in production of the aircraft in India but the government made it clear that it was not possible as the tender for the procurement clearly stated that aerospace PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) would be the lead integrator for the project. The differences over the issue have been resolved and Dassault and HAL have started readying their teams for implementing the project after it is signed. Ade kada bro andaram cheppedhi. Kaani baffas ki ardham kadhu. Just 4 days lone HAL ni ethesi Relaince ni pettaru Modi goru. Endhuku maarcharu ante answer ledhu. Ademante HAL kooda vundhi offset company ga antaru. Ikkada Offset lo main ga vunna HAL ni within a week theesesi Reliance ni main partner ga pettaru. Sare price endhuku pencharu ante missile+gissile+maintenance add aindhi andhuke 1550ce per craft antaru. Mari HAL cheyalenidhi Relaince em chesthundhi ? Why you need to bring Reliance as main offset partner, but not HAL. They could have kept HAL as main and continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollu Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, ravikia said: Ade kada bro andaram cheppedhi. Kaani baffas ki ardham kadhu. Just 4 days lone HAL ni ethesi Relaince ni pettaru Modi goru. Endhuku maarcharu ante answer ledhu. Ademante HAL kooda vundhi offset company ga antaru. Ikkada Offset lo main ga vunna HAL ni within a week theesesi Reliance ni main partner ga pettaru. Sare price endhuku pencharu ante missile+gissile+maintenance add aindhi andhuke 1550ce per craft antaru. Mari HAL cheyalenidhi Relaince em chesthundhi ? Why you need to bring Reliance as main offset partner, but not HAL. They could have kept HAL as main and continue. elemetary school pilladini adigina kooda easy ga modi made misake ani cheputhadu, @kiran tappa. even gvl, bjp spokes persons tada paduthunnaru. monna aithe defense miniser ekama ga journalists ki cheppesaru don't ask questions on rafeal ani annattu ga. modi is not opening mouth. UPA valla time lo technology transfer undi ippudu adi ledu antha cost ettina. even price kooda concrete ledu. original documentation ekkada dorakadu except for cag. antha media dwara ne run avuthundi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravikia Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Bollu said: elemetary school pilladini adigina kooda easy ga modi made misake ani cheputhadu, @kiran tappa. even gvl, bjp spokes persons tada paduthunnaru. monna aithe defense miniser ekama ga journalists ki cheppesaru don't ask questions on rafeal ani annattu ga. modi is not opening mouth. UPA valla time lo technology transfer undi ippudu adi ledu antha cost ettina. even price kooda concrete ledu. original documentation ekkada dorakadu except for cag. antha media dwara ne run avuthundi. I think Supreme court will definitely get to the bottom of it. SC focusing only on procedure, so that all other arguments become irrelevant. Nirmala ran to France to come up with some cook-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiran Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Bollu said: indulo clear ga chepparu gada mastaru nuvvu ichhina link lone. Dassault wanted Reliance to be the main partner in production of the aircraft in India but the government made it clear that it was not possible as the tender for the procurement clearly stated that aerospace PSU Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) would be the lead integrator for the project. The differences over the issue have been resolved and Dassault and HAL have started readying their teams for implementing the project after it is signed. Main dhi bhale side chesaru ga. Ideally they wanted everything with reliance manufacturing + other stuff. But govt. said only other stuff for reliance and manufacturing by HAL. Now no manufacturing in India, only other stuff. So Reliance is still there. but main point is even mms govt approved Reliance deal with Dassault. What experience did they see in RIL then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiran Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 hour ago, ravikia said: Ade kada bro andaram cheppedhi. Kaani baffas ki ardham kadhu. Just 4 days lone HAL ni ethesi Relaince ni pettaru Modi goru. Endhuku maarcharu ante answer ledhu. Ademante HAL kooda vundhi offset company ga antaru. Ikkada Offset lo main ga vunna HAL ni within a week theesesi Reliance ni main partner ga pettaru. Sare price endhuku pencharu ante missile+gissile+maintenance add aindhi andhuke 1550ce per craft antaru. Mari HAL cheyalenidhi Relaince em chesthundhi ? Why you need to bring Reliance as main offset partner, but not HAL. They could have kept HAL as main and continue. Enthuku answer ledhu 126 flights 10 yrs delivery if HAL involved, not accounting the delays. Already 2007 tender. Congress didn’t finalize in 7 yrs they were in job. We can’t afford another 10 yrs. from now. So the deal was cut short to 36 flights 3 yrs delivery. HAL is one of offset partner through joint venture SHAe, DRDO with 9000 cr is the main offset partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiran Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 49 minutes ago, Bollu said: elemetary school pilladini adigina kooda easy ga modi made misake ani cheputhadu, @kiran tappa. even gvl, bjp spokes persons tada paduthunnaru. monna aithe defense miniser ekama ga journalists ki cheppesaru don't ask questions on rafeal ani annattu ga. modi is not opening mouth. UPA valla time lo technology transfer undi ippudu adi ledu antha cost ettina. even price kooda concrete ledu. original documentation ekkada dorakadu except for cag. antha media dwara ne run avuthundi. IAF chief himself said they had done 16 months deliberation to finalize price. Once price is finalized they send a cabinet recommendation and cabinet approves the purchase. So every negotiation and price will be documented. Overall price and per aircraft price as per IAF we made lot of savings. Media ki percentage benefit kuda chepparu interviews lo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollu Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Kiran said: Main dhi bhale side chesaru ga. Ideally they wanted everything with reliance manufacturing + other stuff. But govt. said only other stuff for reliance and manufacturing by HAL. Now no manufacturing in India, only other stuff. So Reliance is still there. nuvvu bale convenient ga escape avuthunnavu. nuvvu cheppina prakaram deal with mukesh ambani reliance not with anil ambani relaince. reliance undi kada ani barampuram lekka ga matladuthunnavu. nuvvu mukesh to continue chesi unte easy ga upa meeda tosi vesthe ok, but anil ki ichhi still upa meeda ela vesthavu burada. and more over mou expire aipoyindi with mukesh reliance to. why mou is not continued with mukesh and why anil reliance came into picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollu Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, Kiran said: IAF chief himself said they had done 16 months deliberation to finalize price. Once price is finalized they send a cabinet recommendation and cabinet approves the purchase. So every negotiation and price will be documented. Overall price and per aircraft price as per IAF we made lot of savings. technology transfer anedi deal lo enduku ledu, advanced chesi manam vere vallaki amme vallamu kada hal to manufacure cheyinchi.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiran Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Bollu said: nuvvu bale convenient ga escape avuthunnavu. nuvvu cheppina prakaram deal with mukesh ambani reliance not with anil ambani relaince. reliance undi kada ani barampuram lekka ga matladuthunnavu. nuvvu mukesh to continue chesi unte easy ga upa meeda tosi vesthe ok, but anil ki ichhi still upa meeda ela vesthavu burada. and more over mou expire aipoyindi with mukesh reliance to. why mou is not continued with mukesh and why anil reliance came into picture? Brothers exchanged their business mee AJ vade headline story run chesadu ga. Mukesh not interested in Defence so aa portfolio picked up by Anil in return Anil gave his mobile network infrastructure. mou expire aipoyindhi agree alage UPA never made a deal on paper with Dassault adhi kuda ardham chesukondi mari. We are arguing on what could have been a potential deal which never happened as at that time UPA divala theesindhi. Court ki velthe asala technicalbasis main point medhane comedy ayyidhi anthuke safe ya deliberations ki limit chesaru? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiran Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Bollu said: technology transfer anedi deal lo enduku ledu, advanced chesi manam vere vallaki amme vallamu kada hal to manufacure cheyinchi.. By the time we finish it will be 10 yrs the tech will be outdated. Mundhu Sukhoi jets delivery ye inka delays unnai. Anyway we are calling a fresh tender for more flights, HAL might get a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollu Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kiran said: Brothers exchanged their business mee AJ vade headline story run chesadu ga. Mukesh not interested in Defence so aa portfolio picked up by Anil in return Anil gave his mobile network infrastructure. mou expire aipoyindhi agree alage UPA never made a deal on paper with Dassault adhi kuda ardham chesukondi mari. We are arguing on what could have been a potential deal which never happened as at that time UPA divala theesindhi. Court ki velthe asala technicalbasis main point medhane comedy ayyidhi anthuke safe ya deliberations ki limit chesaru? upa time lo deal kudaraledu kabatti nuvvu upa deal to compare cheyaku current deal ni. chokkalu marchukunnattu ga companies marchesthe deal kudurchukontara? govt review cheyanakkara leda? anil ambani gadu peekulothu kastallo unnodu idi ela chesthadu ani 1 min alochinchara? inka nayam malya gadito kudurchukola deal vadiki vimanalu unnayi ani..glad for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bollu Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kiran said: By the time we finish it will be 10 yrs the tech will be outdated. Mundhu Sukhoi jets delivery ye inka delays unnai. Anyway we are calling a fresh tender for more flights, HAL might get a chance. a lekkaana aithe 7 years dealy ayyindi rafeal deal, emi antha technology changes vachayo rafeal lo e 7 years lo tamare cheppali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swarnandhra Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 minutes ago, Bollu said: a lekkaana aithe 7 years dealy ayyindi rafeal deal, emi antha technology changes vachayo rafeal lo e 7 years lo tamare cheppali you are right, fighter technology is not like electronics where technology becomes obsolete in 10 years. majority of US fighters are designed or made in 20-30 years ago. Let us not go to air craft carriers. currently mantra is "modular". design air craft such that new weapons/technology can be changed independently without changing the whole plane/ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiran Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Bollu said: a lekkaana aithe 7 years dealy ayyindi rafeal deal, emi antha technology changes vachayo rafeal lo e 7 years lo tamare cheppali 22 yrs from the time we planned to purchase. Appatiki same money ki we can get latest ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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