Bezawada_Lion Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 from an US perspective it may be a routine affair.....but from a general perspective, its clearly a case of over-reaction from US.....after all she is not a criminal, she is a Diplomat..atleast she could have been warned prior to this public humiliation or Indian govt pressurized to take action on her violations of laws of US....in terms of foreign policy, this is also clearly a humiliation to India.....India is no sub-ordinate country like Saudi Arabia, it deserves it own respect as a sovereign country.....Previously Rahul Gandhi was also detained in US airports for carrying dollars more than the stipulated limit, he was interrogated, warned and finally let off.....there is no public humilation and its very much welcome...sadly its true that this current UPA govt had behaved more as a slave, very meek in its dealings....baanisalegaa inko debba thenkina attane padi untaaru le ani anukuni untaaru US ollu.....ippatikaina poyindhemi ledhu.. once this dust settles down, it will be business as usual.. idi maree baagundi....itta warnings alavaatu chestey akkada policulaki kooda inka janaalu dadavaru...pratee country lo negative points vunnai kaadananu...but comparatively better police system vundi US lo mana kante....adi atta vundabatte janalaki bakthi gouravam and bayam vunnai...mana laaga kaakunda... inka diplomats aina marokkalaina alage chestaru vaallu....aina vaallu embassy loki vellalede...bayata edaina US land e...and Indian embassy premises daatina tarvaata vaallaki US rules e.....no different than ordinary US citizen.This is rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seniorfan Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 In America law is law... Even govt can not meddle in it Saati telugodina JP dippa pina kotti the dikku ledu.....ekkado america lo jarigini daaniki enduku egaradam....that is the f reason law will never be allowed to do its business in India.... we don't support strict laws... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subash.c Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 I dont see anything wrong here....what US govt did is based on their judicial system...... mana media hadavudi cheyakunda unte country paruvu dakkedi....ippudu adi kuda poindi.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subash.c Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 idi maree baagundi....itta warnings alavaatu chestey akkada policulaki kooda inka janaalu dadavaru...pratee country lo negative points vunnai kaadananu...but comparatively better police system vundi US lo mana kante....adi atta vundabatte janalaki bakthi gouravam and bayam vunnai...mana laaga kaakunda... inka diplomats aina marokkalaina alage chestaru vaallu....aina vaallu embassy loki vellalede...bayata edaina US land e...and Indian embassy premises daatina tarvaata vaallaki US rules e.....no different than ordinary US citizen.This is rule. nuvu super anthe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezawada_Lion Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 nuvu super anthe thank you subbi....etta vundi job?? settled aa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chsrk Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 idi maree baagundi....itta warnings alavaatu chestey akkada policulaki kooda inka janaalu dadavaru...pratee country lo negative points vunnai kaadananu...but comparatively better police system vundi US lo mana kante....adi atta vundabatte janalaki bakthi gouravam and bayam vunnai...mana laaga kaakunda... inka diplomats aina marokkalaina alage chestaru vaallu....aina vaallu embassy loki vellalede...bayata edaina US land e...and Indian embassy premises daatina tarvaata vaallaki US rules e.....no different than ordinary US citizen.This is rule. idhi nuvvu seppinattu oka ordinary criminal ki oka police ki madyana issue aiythe....whatever they did is right.....But No...This is a much larger issue, where the interests of the countries are at stake...rendu desala madhayna dvaipakshika sambandhaalani prabhavitham chese issue.....anthe kaadhu.this will also put the prestige of various Indian diplomats working throughout the world in different countries down, if it is not countered properly...ikapothe she is a Career diplomat working for the Indian govt and her diplomatic immunity is not just limited to the premises of Indian consular general's office.....as a high ranking official, she is entitled to such immunity whereever she travels...... by the way, I deeply respect US police....vaalla pani theeru antha baaga nachchuthundhi naakaithe.....that doesn't mean they are completly flawless....this particular action against the Diplomat is completly un-warranted ..and could have handled it in a much better way.....None will deny the importance of strict law enforcement, but there are due protocols that needs to be followed... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subash.c Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 thank you subbi....etta vundi job?? settled aa? set ayinattte....IL lone unnava...oka sari darsanam ivvochu ga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezawada_Lion Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 set ayinattte....IL lone unnava...oka sari darsanam ivvochu ga yeah...kalusta...phone chesta le...ee weekend... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K D No.2 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 idi maree baagundi....itta warnings alavaatu chestey akkada policulaki kooda inka janaalu dadavaru...pratee country lo negative points vunnai kaadananu...but comparatively better police system vundi US lo mana kante....adi atta vundabatte janalaki bakthi gouravam and bayam vunnai...mana laaga kaakunda... inka diplomats aina marokkalaina alage chestaru vaallu....aina vaallu embassy loki vellalede...bayata edaina US land e...and Indian embassy premises daatina tarvaata vaallaki US rules e.....no different than ordinary US citizen.This is rule. No, they can arrest diplomats only in special cases like murders...in other cases they will ask Indian government to take back their diplomats... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subash.c Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 yeah...kalusta...phone chesta le...ee weekend... ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K D No.2 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Diplomatic immunity lekapothe asalu US ambassadors vundaleru sagam desalalo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K D No.2 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Aa lady ni support cheyyadaniki emi ledu...Indian government ki attitude choopinchali ani vunte..it picked up a stupid issue...but nothing takes away what US did knowing that she was Indian diplomat.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezawada_Lion Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 idhi nuvvu seppinattu oka ordinary criminal ki oka police ki madyana issue aiythe....whatever they did is right.....But No...This is a much larger issue, where the interests of the countries are at stake...rendu desala madhayna dvaipakshika sambandhaalani prabhavitham chese issue.....anthe kaadhu.this will also put the prestige of various Indian diplomats working throughout the world in different countries down, if it is not countered properly...ikapothe she is a Career diplomat working for the Indian govt and her diplomatic immunity is not just limited to the premises of Indian consular general's office.....as a high ranking official, she is entitled to such immunity whereever she travels...... by the way, I deeply respect US police....vaalla pani theeru antha baaga nachchuthundhi naakaithe.....that doesn't mean they are completly flawless....this particular action against the Diplomat is completly un-warranted ..and could have handled it in a much better way.....None will deny the importance of strict law enforcement, but there are due protocols that needs to be followed... Under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, the Indian Deputy Consul General enjoys immunity from the jurisdiction of US courts only with respect to acts performed in the exercise of consular functions. Accused under any felony will diminish the Diplomatic Immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chsrk Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 Under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, the Indian Deputy Consul General enjoys immunity from the jurisdiction of US courts only with respect to acts performed in the exercise of consular functions. Accused under any felony will diminish the Diplomatic Immunity. US representative ichchina statements as it is ga copy sesukochchaavga Bijiwada lionu....inthaki aame commit chesina felony enti.....asala inthaki felony ante enti....? Does it come into any of the serious categories of felony , that will impinge upon her Diplomatic immunity? Felonies include but are not limited to the following: Murder Rape Aggravated assault and/or battery Manslaughter Vehicular homicide Arson Burglary Tax evasion Various forms of fraud The manufacture, sale, distribution, or possession with intent to distribute of certain types and/or quantities of illegal drugs In some states, the simple possession (possession without intent to distribute, e.g., for personal use) of certain types of illegal drugs, usually in more than a certain quantity but regardless of quantity for some drugs in some jurisdictions (such as Virginia for cocaine and heroin) Grand larceny or grand theft, i.e., larceny or theft above a certain statutorily established value or quantity of goods Vandalism on federal property. Treason Kidnapping Obstruction of justice Perjury Cheque fraud Copyright infringement[2] Child pornography (also includes only viewing pictures, unless you imminently report to an officer.); Mail tampering Theft of money over a certain amount Violating parole, probation, or recognizance bond Threatening an official (police officer, judge) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bezawada_Lion Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 US representative ichchina statements as it is ga copy sesukochchaavga Bijiwada lionu....inthaki aame commit chesina felony enti.....asala inthaki felony ante enti....? Does it come into any of the serious categories of felony , that will impinge upon her Diplomatic immunity? Felonies include but are not limited to the following: Murder Rape Aggravated assault and/or battery Manslaughter Vehicular homicide Arson Burglary Tax evasion Various forms of fraud The manufacture, sale, distribution, or possession with intent to distribute of certain types and/or quantities of illegal drugs In some states, the simple possession (possession without intent to distribute, e.g., for personal use) of certain types of illegal drugs, usually in more than a certain quantity but regardless of quantity for some drugs in some jurisdictions (such as Virginia for cocaine and heroin) Grand larceny or grand theft, i.e., larceny or theft above a certain statutorily established value or quantity of goods Vandalism on federal property. Treason Kidnapping Obstruction of justice Perjury Cheque fraud Copyright infringement[2] Child pornography (also includes only viewing pictures, unless you imminently report to an officer.); Mail tampering Theft of money over a certain amount Violating parole, probation, or recognizance bond Threatening an official (police officer, judge) yes...copied e...naaku sontha talent ledu uncle... paina list lo devyani chesina tappu ledaaa? adena mee argument?? aina but not limited to...ani rasadu gaa paina.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chsrk Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 yes...copied e...naaku sontha talent ledu uncle... paina list lo devyani chesina tappu ledaaa? adena mee argument?? aina but not limited to...ani rasadu gaa paina.... antha maatram violation ki antha hadavidi anavasaram ani antunna.....charges ento....both sides of the story ento nuvve choodu Background Devyani Khobragade, a mid-ranking, young diplomat currently posted as Deputy Consul General for Political, Economic, Commercial and Women's Affairs was arrested by the New York police on Thursday. The US authorities accused her of helping the Indian nanny in submitting fake documents to the US State Department saying that she was paying $4,500 per month, when in reality, the nanny or the domestic help got only $573 a month. Devyani had hired the nanny in 2012 and she was working as a babysitter and domestic help at her house in the upscale Manhattan area of New York till last June. According to New York Times the diplomat is accused of telling the woman to lie on her visa application to get to the United States and say she was going to be paid the higher amount. Then, Khobragade allegedly had the woman sign a second, under-the-radar contract that noted the nanny's monthly salary including overtime - the much smaller amount. The nanny and her husband, who were not named, are serving as witnesses in the case. Charges As per the US laws which are extremely hard on human exploitation and human trafficking, Devyani has committed a very serious crime. The Manhattan US Attorney of Indian origin Preet Barara who has ordered the arrest of Devyani terms the charges as very serious. Talking to the media he said, "This type of fraud on the USA and exploitation of an individual will not be tolerated." According to him she has been charged with one count each of visa fraud and making false statements. Devyani is now out on bail. Her lawyer Daniel Arshack claims that she enjoys diplomatic immunity and she can't be prosecuted under the US law. US argument But US authorities are maintaining that she does not enjoy diplomatic immunity and the judiciary is independent like India. It is denying that the proper procedure was not followed the arrest. "Our Diplomatic Security folks followed our standard procedures, which I'm assuming are standard for diplomats because that's who our Diplomatic Security deals with," a US State Department spokesman said. According to a US news agency report the US spokesman added that under the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations, the Indian Deputy Consul General enjoys immunity from the jurisdiction of US courts only with respect to acts performed in the exercise of consular functions. "There are different kinds of immunity. This isn't just in the US; it's all around the world. So in this case, she fell under that specific kind of immunity, and would be liable to arrest pending trial pursuant a felony arrest warrant," says US State department complicating the matters for India. India's Defence Devyani's arrest has rattled the Indian Diplomatic Corps. It is forcing the government to hit back at the US. According to Indian diplomats serving in the Western countries, paying lesser than what is actually on official papers is a common practice among the Indian diplomats. They claim that the salary fixed by the US government is too high for the Indian diplomats. They argue that they can't afford to pay $4500 (approximately Rs 2.80 lakh per month) to a domestic help or a nanny as the salary of most of the diplomats is around Rs 3 lakh per month. Devyani herself is getting not more than Rs 4 lakh per month. They are demanding that the US State department should not apply such illogical rules to Indian diplomats. A serving diplomat on the condition of anonymity said, "These US laws are stupid. How can a mid-ranking diplomat pay Rs 2.5-3 lakh to her nanny? We don't get paid millions of dollars. Our government must make it clear to the US government or it should pay the salary stipulated by the US." According to experts, in the US, the judiciary is independent and the government interference is not tolerated. Moreover, Attorney Preet Barara wants to prove that he is more American than the original Americans by taking on Indians accused of committing a crime. They even mention the Rajat Gupta incident. Legally speaking, as per the US laws Devyani is in a big trouble. India can't do much as it concerns the US laws, which is paramount for the host country. She can escape from the clutches of the US laws, only if the Indian government forces the American government to extend diplomatic immunity to her. Even if she survives, chances of her continuing to work there or going back to the US again look bleak. The collateral damage of the whole row is Indo-US relations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntr_paritala Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 This is not rare instance..just in last 1 year you could see multiple cases where maids have filed law suits in US. You shall never employ maid and keep her at home all the time. Just on 4000$ salary how can any one employ fulltime maid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MVS Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Ala rules unapudu valaki relatives ayina valani teesukuni velalsindi ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raaz Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 aameni arrest chesindi indian embassy lo kaadey?? :dream: Brother..Take the whole meaning of the post, not line by line..I was just referring to the powers of Diplomatic immunity.. She carries some of them with her wherever she goes.. inka diplomats aina marokkalaina alage chestaru vaallu....aina vaallu embassy loki vellalede...bayata edaina US land e...and Indian embassy premises daatina tarvaata vaallaki US rules e.....no different than ordinary US citizen.This is rule. Idemi rule..There are lot many exceptions to it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sree Ram Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Congress/UPA edi chesina thappe ani or just political mileage kosame chesthunnarani anatam wrong .. manchi chesinappudu we have to commend them .. Good job guys .. konchem thella tholu ante valledo potu gallu ane feeling nunchi ippatikina bayataki ravataniki try cheyyandi .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surendra.g Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 Good... ide dookudu appudu patinchali... not just before elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneAndOnlyMKC Posted December 18, 2013 Share Posted December 18, 2013 http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=u4ZOIMTG_1U Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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