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What is the consequence of Suicide

 

Shri Ramanath asked about the consequences of the suicide.

 

Swami replied “As I told you, the human life is almost impossible. The Christianity and Islam do not agree re-human birth. In Hinduism the re-human birth is admitted but it is said to be very rare. When the same God is the speaker of all the religions, there cannot be contradiction. Therefore, this means the re-human birth is generally impossible. But the omnipotent God can sanction the re-human birth to a soul if there is a hope of its upliftment. The human birth is meant for the human being having interest in spiritual knowledge. It does not mean mere human form.

 

Eating, sleep, emotions related to the environment and sex to produce children are common to both human beings and animals (Ahara Nidra Bhaya Mithunani…). The human birth with spiritual knowledge and coming in contact with the human incarnation happens only once. Such a human birth is called as Brahmana. Here this word is not at all related to the present caste system. The Brahmana means the human being belonging to any caste having full interest in the spiritual field and comes in contact with the human form of the Lord with faith so that he attains the perfect spiritual knowledge (Brahma Jnanam). If such chance is missed, he will be born as Kshatriya who believes only in his effort and efficiency with full egoism.

 

The next birth is Vysya having over attachment to wealth. The next birth is Sudra who is always selfish. The next birth is fisherman (Ganga putra) in which he kills the fish in the water. The next birth is hunter (vyadha) who kills the animals in the forest. The last birth of human form is Chandala who kills even the animals that served him. Thus, the soul descends by seven births and finally enters the cycle of animals, birds , worms etc.

 

The soul existing as Brahmana will never commit suicide. The souls of other levels only commit suicides due to problems in the world. The Brahmana will never commit suicide because he is well aware of the main divine aim of the human life. Even if the soul of other types is alive there is very little chance of its upliftment. Veda says that by committing suicide the soul enters the world of permanent darkness which means ignorance (asuryanaamate…). This means that the soul directly enters the cycle of animals etc., on committing suicide. Thus there is only one chance of the birth of Brahmana for a soul, which means that there is only one chance for any soul to have the real fruitful human birth in which it can meet the human incarnation.

 

In the other births the soul has only a very tiny trace of chance to meet and recognize the human form of the Lord in true spirit. All ready when the possibility of the upliftment of self is a trace only, if suicide is committed, it looses that trace of chance also. Thus, one in seven persons can only recognize the human form of the God in the right spirit of the upliftment of the self. The other human beings do not recognize at all and even if they recognize, they try to use the Lord for the worldly matters only.

 

The real suicide is that when the soul is not trying for its spiritual upliftment and always is dragged by the worldly affairs only. Such a soul will become a lizard which is always watching for an insect to eat. All its concentration is on the insect only. Gopikas jumped into fire after hearing the death of Krishna. But it is not suicide, because they have realized the main aim of the human life, which is the Lord only. What is the use of a soul always immersed in worldly affairs and worldly bonds only? Such a soul has really committed suicide already because the soul killed itself (Naatmaana mavasadayet-Gita).

 

When the sage Sanatsujata came to Dhrutarashtra, Dhrutarashtra asked him about the death. Then the sage told that the real death is that by which the soul forgets God and is completely immersed in the world (Pramadakhyo Mrurtyuh). Thus, the soul which leaves without any contact with God is already a dead soul, which committed suicide. Gopikas are immortal even though they have committed suicide since they sacrificed their lives for the love of God. This gross body is just like a shirt according to Gita (Vasamsi Jirnani..). Therefore, committing suicide is not a big thing for a realized soul. It is just like changing the cloth. But the purpose for which the suicide is committed is very very important. If the purpose is due to any worldly matter, the soul is thrown in to the permanent hell. The reason for this is that the soul has to detach from the world and attach itself to God.

 

Instead of doing this, the soul is disturbed due to over attachment to the world and is committing suicide. In the memory of Krishna, Radha became mad and wandered in the Brindavanam without food and water. She finally died in the madness of Krishna. That is suicide due to over attachment to God, but the consequence of such sacrifice of life is divine and has immortal fruit.

 

Jesus also sacrificed His life for the sake of God. He said that if one does not carry on his own cross for the sake of God, he cannot be the dearest devotee of God. Gita says that a real devotee will even give up the life for the sake of God (Matgata Pranah….). Therefore, the consequence of suicide for any worldly matter is only the permanent hell. When Meera was given poison, she swallowed it and was saved by the Lord. Hanuman tore His heart with His own nails to show Lord in His heart. All these cases of attempt of suicide but have immense spiritual value. Dhrutarashtra lived hundred and twenty years but he has already committed suicide, even though he was alive, because he did not listen to the advice of Lord Krishna even in the worldly matter.

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Let’s talk about suicide and its

aftereffects from a spiritual

perspective. I often get emails from

people asking if they should commit

suicide and wanting to know what will

happen to their souls when they do. That’s a really good question. We’re going to use the analogy of a

play, as in a theatre production. When

you incarnate you pick your parents and life circumstances. You are, in effect, accepting a role in a play. A lot

of behind the scenes work goes into

creating your role in this play. Other

people may have wanted the role but

you got it. Now you’re responsible for

what you do with it. So you incarnate and you’re doing

your part just fine. Then one day you

find that the play is getting harder and

harder to perform. Maybe you’re late

for a performance. Maybe you don’t

like the lines you’re getting. Maybe the audience is heckling you. Maybe your

role is just really tough; you’re in every

scene, and you don’t feel like you

have a chance to catch your breath.

Maybe you’re in no scenes and you’re

starting to feel ignored or like nobody cares. Maybe you don’t like your

fellow actors. Maybe someone else in

the play is hurting you. For whatever

reason, the role you’ve got just

doesn’t make you happy any longer

and you want to quit. Like in a real play, when you quit your

role without notice, i.e. committing

suicide, you leave a gaping hole in

your wake. The role you were meant

to play is no longer being filled. So the

other actors have to work around your part. If there was a love scene

coming up, that other actor now has

no one to perform with. Scenes need

to be rewritten. Lines need to be

reworked. Shows may even need to

be cancelled or rescheduled. And you know what? You’re responsible. I don’t just mean you’re responsible

for leaving them in this mess. You’re

responsible for fixing it, even from the

other side. When you commit suicide

you are removing yourself from the

play which intersects tens or even hundreds of lives (or more).

Prearranged meetings now cannot

take place. Children you were going

to have now have to find other

parents or life circumstances. When

you prematurely drop out of the play you leave a lot of people hanging.

You can give up your role, but you

cannot give up the responsibility you

had in that role. So let’s switch gears for a moment and

discuss what happens when you cross over after a suicide. You leave your body and one of two things happens.

First, you may immediately regret what

you’ve done, and you find yourself in

a state of shame and/or guilt, two of

the lowest levels of consciousness you can be in. In this state you’re not even

capable of helping yourself let alone

fixing up the lives of the people you

left behind. What I’ve seen on the

other side is that people in this

situation tend not to cross over fully, fearing judgment for what they’ve

done. In truth, there is no need to

judge yourself so harshly, but if you

find yourself in this state it’s really

difficult not to be hard on yourself.

Angels come and try to help you to cross over. They do this by helping

you feel the love of Source or God. If

that doesn’t get through to you, they’ll

gently help you raise your energy so

you can feel it. Some people are so

stuck in their low vibration state, however, that it can take what

amounts to years to fully cross over.

See the movie, What Dreams May

Come, for more on this concept which

the movie covered extremely well. Not everyone who suicides sinks

down into shame and guilt.

Sometimes people do get to the other

side and realize that although there

are consequences to their suicide they

can deal with them. These people are able to maintain a fairly high state of

awareness and get busy working with

the guides to fill the vacancy they’ve

left behind. Threads need to be

rewoven into the tapestry of life. New

encounters need to take place. New events in the maze of life need to be created. What happens is that you will

work with the guides of the people

whose lives you were meant to touch

in a significant way to make sure these

people are still able to learn their own

lessons and live their own purposes without your presence. Once you

complete this process (which could

take a while depending on many

factors) you are free of the karma you

attracted by suiciding and are released

to the “after life.” So, you are allowed to quit. Free will

ensures that you have the right to take

your own life. But you must be aware

of the consequences and the

responsibility you have to every single

person whose life you would have touched in a significant way. It’s like if

you were a parent of a small child and

you wanted to go out for the evening,

you need to hire a babysitter to take

care of that child while you’re gone. If

you leave without doing that first, the child could suffer terribly and then you

would be responsible for that. I know life can seem really tough

sometimes. Most of the people I know

have contemplated suicide at some

point in their lives. Sometimes life

seems overwhelmingly hard. But you

can change your life any time you want. Whatever you’ve gotten

yourself into, there’s a way out that

doesn’t involve quitting. You may get

to the end of your life completely worn

out, broken, and even devastated, but

from a spiritual perspective that’s better than quitting. When you quit

you still have to learn all the lessons

you came here to learn, so the next

time you incarnate it isn’t going to get

easier, it will probably be harder. Don’t quit the play. Ask for help.

Maybe you can be sent on vacation

and your understudy can perform

your role for a while. Maybe you can

get the writers to give you fewer lines,

or more support in your scenes. But don’t quit. People are counting on

you, including your higher self. God

only gives you as much as you can

handle, but sometimes it’s hard to

remember how strong you really are.

You’re allowed to ask for help. God gives you that too … when you ask for

it. Accept the help when it comes.Let’s talk about suicide and its

aftereffects from a spiritual

perspective. I often get emails from

people asking if they should commit

suicide and wanting to know what will

happen to their souls when they do. That’s a really good question. We’re going to use the analogy of a

play, as in a theatre production. When

you incarnate you pick your parents and life circumstances. You are, in effect, accepting a role in a play. A lot

of behind the scenes work goes into

creating your role in this play. Other

people may have wanted the role but

you got it. Now you’re responsible for

what you do with it. So you incarnate and you’re doing

your part just fine. Then one day you

find that the play is getting harder and

harder to perform. Maybe you’re late

for a performance. Maybe you don’t

like the lines you’re getting. Maybe the audience is heckling you. Maybe your

role is just really tough; you’re in every

scene, and you don’t feel like you

have a chance to catch your breath.

Maybe you’re in no scenes and you’re

starting to feel ignored or like nobody cares. Maybe you don’t like your

fellow actors. Maybe someone else in

the play is hurting you. For whatever

reason, the role you’ve got just

doesn’t make you happy any longer

and you want to quit. Like in a real play, when you quit your

role without notice, i.e. committing

suicide, you leave a gaping hole in

your wake. The role you were meant

to play is no longer being filled. So the

other actors have to work around your part. If there was a love scene

coming up, that other actor now has

no one to perform with. Scenes need

to be rewritten. Lines need to be

reworked. Shows may even need to

be cancelled or rescheduled. And you know what? You’re responsible. I don’t just mean you’re responsible

for leaving them in this mess. You’re

responsible for fixing it, even from the

other side. When you commit suicide

you are removing yourself from the

play which intersects tens or even hundreds of lives (or more).

Prearranged meetings now cannot

take place. Children you were going

to have now have to find other

parents or life circumstances. When

you prematurely drop out of the play you leave a lot of people hanging.

You can give up your role, but you

cannot give up the responsibility you

had in that role. So let’s switch gears for a moment and

discuss what happens when you cross over after a suicide. You leave your body and one of two things happens.

First, you may immediately regret what

you’ve done, and you find yourself in

a state of shame and/or guilt, two of

the lowest levels of consciousness you can be in. In this state you’re not even

capable of helping yourself let alone

fixing up the lives of the people you

left behind. What I’ve seen on the

other side is that people in this

situation tend not to cross over fully, fearing judgment for what they’ve

done. In truth, there is no need to

judge yourself so harshly, but if you

find yourself in this state it’s really

difficult not to be hard on yourself.

Angels come and try to help you to cross over. They do this by helping

you feel the love of Source or God. If

that doesn’t get through to you, they’ll

gently help you raise your energy so

you can feel it. Some people are so

stuck in their low vibration state, however, that it can take what

amounts to years to fully cross over.

See the movie, What Dreams May

Come, for more on this concept which

the movie covered extremely well. Not everyone who suicides sinks

down into shame and guilt.

Sometimes people do get to the other

side and realize that although there

are consequences to their suicide they

can deal with them. These people are able to maintain a fairly high state of

awareness and get busy working with

the guides to fill the vacancy they’ve

left behind. Threads need to be

rewoven into the tapestry of life. New

encounters need to take place. New events in the maze of life need to be created. What happens is that you will

work with the guides of the people

whose lives you were meant to touch

in a significant way to make sure these

people are still able to learn their own

lessons and live their own purposes without your presence. Once you

complete this process (which could

take a while depending on many

factors) you are free of the karma you

attracted by suiciding and are released

to the “after life.” So, you are allowed to quit. Free will

ensures that you have the right to take

your own life. But you must be aware

of the consequences and the

responsibility you have to every single

person whose life you would have touched in a significant way. It’s like if

you were a parent of a small child and

you wanted to go out for the evening,

you need to hire a babysitter to take

care of that child while you’re gone. If

you leave without doing that first, the child could suffer terribly and then you

would be responsible for that. I know life can seem really tough

sometimes. Most of the people I know

have contemplated suicide at some

point in their lives. Sometimes life

seems overwhelmingly hard. But you

can change your life any time you want. Whatever you’ve gotten

yourself into, there’s a way out that

doesn’t involve quitting. You may get

to the end of your life completely worn

out, broken, and even devastated, but

from a spiritual perspective that’s better than quitting. When you quit

you still have to learn all the lessons

you came here to learn, so the next

time you incarnate it isn’t going to get

easier, it will probably be harder. Don’t quit the play. Ask for help.

Maybe you can be sent on vacation

and your understudy can perform

your role for a while. Maybe you can

get the writers to give you fewer lines,

or more support in your scenes. But don’t quit. People are counting on

you, including your higher self. God

only gives you as much as you can

handle, but sometimes it’s hard to

remember how strong you really are.

You’re allowed to ask for help. God gives you that too … when you ask for

it. Accept the help when it comes.

:shakehands:

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Let’s talk about suicide and its

aftereffects from a spiritual

perspective. I often get emails from

people asking if they should commit

suicide and wan..............

your own life. But you must be aware

of the conse..................

handle, but sometimes it’s hard to

remember how strong you really are.

You’re allowed to ask for help. God gives you that too … when you ask for

it. Accept the help when it comes.

:shakehands:

The main reason for suicide is lack of divine knowledge. By divine knowledge one can realize that the main aim of the human life is to achieve the grace of God by pleasing Him and not to achieve the useless grace of any co-human being by pleasing it and not to please one’s own self because such pleasure is not only temporary but also is found illusory on analysis. I gave the example of a student in a college. The academic progress is the main goal. The games are only secondary arranged for a brief change.

 

Similarly all the worldly affairs are only secondary activities arranged by God for a brief change from the main spiritual activity. The illusion of Maya by which, one feels the forms of matter and the qualities of awareness are real. The problems coming up based on such illusion lead to suicide. A person commits suicide for not getting a job. A farmer commits suicide when crop fails. A person commits suicide due to heavy loans. All these cases are due to lack of divine knowledge, since they do not realize the main goal of human life. They also do not realize that if they believe in God fully and worship Him, such problems will be miraculously solved. God will certainly answer even for your prayers once or twice so that you will follow the spiritual path after experiencing the existence of God and His power. However, you should not make this as the continuous businesses.

 

When the problems are solved, the person is becoming proud in happiness and the two eyes climb the head. After getting job, one feels that he is a big officer controlling the entire world! After clearance of loans and after getting riches, one feels that he is the owner of this entire universe! After receiving good crop, the farmer is indulged in politics and group rivalry feeling himself as the greatest leader! I still remember, in the olden days in My village, the farmers after receiving good crops were indulged in doing Bhajans etc. Similarly a boy or a girl failing in love commits suicide due to lack of the main aim of the life. He or she does not know that the beauty is only an unreal design of matter and energy. If matter and energy are separated which are the real entities, the love vanishes! When the entire world becomes one family irrespective of caste, religion, nationality etc., people will help each other in solving the problems. The best and real worship is to help a devotee suffering with a specific problem.

 

Trying to solve that problem within the limits of your capacity is the best worship. To stress this aspect only, God was pleased to receive the required service in specific problem. When Rama lost Sita and was searching for her, your worship to the Lord should be in line of search for Sita. He will be pleased by such worship. What is the use of putting flowers on Him, feeding Him with sweets etc., when He is worried for Sita? Worship means the service which you can do to the Lord in human form to please Him in His specific problem. By this the Lord indicates that you should help all the devotees in their specific problems. Such mutual help is the real worship and this is the main aim of the Lord. Such divine society is the fruit of the divine knowledge from the Lord.

 

You should be careful about the egoism that may enter your brain after doing the help. You should say that your help is due to the power of God only. When you say this, you should be sincere from the bottom of your heart because it is the actual reality. By such statement, the other person should feel that he should also get the favour from the Lord through divine service to Him. Then he will also do the same service to other devotees. Such a divine society consisting of the entire population of the world is the dream of My divine knowledge. Such mutual help integrated with divine knowledge can certainly eliminate suicides.

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The main reason for suicide is lack of divine knowledge.. I gave the example of a student in a college. The academic progress is the main goal. The games are only secondary arranged for a brief change.

. The problems coming up based on such illusion lead to suicide. A person commits suicide for not getting a job. A farmer commits suicide when crop fails. A person commits suicide due to heavy loans. All these cases are due to lack of divine knowledge, since they do not realize the main goal of human life. They also do not realize that if they believe in God fully and worship Him, such problems will be miraculously solved. God will certainly answer even for your prayers once or twice so that you will follow the spiritual path after experiencing the existence of God and His power. However, you should not make this as the continuous businesses.

 

When the problems are solved, the person is becoming proud in happiness and the two eyes climb the head. After getting job, one feels that he is a big officer controlling the entire world! After clearance of loans and after getting riches, one feels that he is the owner of this entire universe! After receiving good crop, the farmer is indulged in politics and group rivalry feeling himself as the greatest leader! I still remember, in the olden days in My village, the farmers after receiving good crops were indulged in doing Bhajans etc. Similarly a boy or a girl failing in love commits suicide due to lack of the main aim of the life. He or she does not know that the beauty is only an unreal design of matter and energy. If matter and energy are separated which are the real entities, the love vanishes! When the entire world becomes one family irrespective of caste, religion, nationality etc., people will help each other in solving the problems. The best and real worship is to help a devotee suffering with a specific problem.

:shakehands:

Trying to solve that problem within the limits of your capacity is the best worship. To stress this aspect only, God was pleased to receive the required service in specific problem. When Rama lost Sita and was searching for her, your worship to the Lord should be in line of search for Sita. He will be pleased by such worship. What is the use of putting flowers on Him, feeding Him with sweets etc., when He is worried for Sita? Worship means the service which you can do to the Lord in human form to please Him in His specific problem. By this the Lord indicates that you should help all the devotees in their specific problems. Such mutual help is the real worship and this is the main aim of the Lord. Such divine society is the fruit of the divine knowledge from the Lord.

 

You should be careful about the egoism that may enter your brain after doing the help. You should say that your help is due to the power of God only. When you say this, you should be sincere from the bottom of your heart because it is the actual reality. By such statement, the other person should feel that he should also get the favour from the Lord through divine service to Him. Then he will also do the same service to other devotees. Such a divine society consisting of the entire population of the world is the dream of My divine knowledge. Such mutual help integrated with divine knowledge can certainly eliminate suicides.

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Rainbows, for some, are a

symbol of promise, hope and a

reminder we are not forgotten

in our pain. Others believe it

represents the love of God and

is a visual reminder of the bridge between our world and

that of the divine

consciousness and our loved

ones who have died. This is the

message of hope I wish to

convey with this website. To the parents grieving the death

of their child, I wish to convey

a message of hope through the

grief. A parent grieving the suicide

of their child struggles with so

many emotions and

experiences so turmoil that

they often feel the intense

pain they experience will never end. Parents are often

confused about their own

responses to the suicide and

the responses of others. Their

pain is often magnified by the

insensitive and hurtful responses of others and the

seemingly lack of compassion

they may perceived from

family and friends who hear of

the suicide. Although the

stigma associated with suicide has lessened through the

centuries, many parents

continue to feel shame about

the suicide which makes it

more difficult for them to

discuss the suicide, their emotions, fears and inner most

thoughts with others. Parents

are troubled with questions of:

How can my child choose to

end his or her life?

How did I miss the signs? What could I have done

differently?

What if I had…………..? ….. I may

have been able to stop him or

her …. They are often burdened with

the guilt associated with these

and other existential questions

for which there are no

satisfactory answers. Yet the

parent will spend countless hours, days, years, decades

replaying the suicide over and

over again hoping to find an

answer, hoping to discover a

way to heal their broken heart

until one day they realize there are no answers. They

find a sense of acceptance and

peace in the unknowing. The

wound remains, the bleeding

is less frequent and healing is

possible. Healing does not mean the child is forgotten or

the pain has gone, it simply

means the intensity of the pain

has lessened. It is different for

every parent and there is no

right or wrong way to progress though the grieving process. It

is important to know,

everyone processes grief in

their own way and in their

own time. . It is a

long, hard, tortuous road.

Personally,

As we progress through the

grief, there comes a time when we see the rainbow and

recognize the promise of hope

and realize we not alone in our

pain and our healing.

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